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::::It is not too complicated, all you have to really do is just propose random robot villains from various media onto the iceberg and I can add them onto it myself. Here is a [https://icebergcharts.com/i/Fictional_Robot_Villains link to the iceberg] if you are curious about it. Also, you agree the Mario franchise had quite a heavy downfall in quality since 2022 (as well as stuff such as ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie'' and ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' being heavily overrated despite the many flaws and issues they have, as well as the constant over saturation of remakes and not much else with this year)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:42, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah the remakes have been utterly excessive. The enhanced ports be half the price of original releases, but they making them the same price as like the original titles. So lazy. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:43, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
::::::I know right, nobody asked for a ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' remake that looks like something straight out of the Wii U. You also agree many recent ''Mario'' products have also been incredibly overrated as well (primarily ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie'' and ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'', though they are not the only exceptions)? Which would you say is the most overrated? Also, what do you think of the robot villain iceberg I made? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:52, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''SMB Wonder'' or ''SMB Movie'' is what I'd deem the most overrated. So the iceberg basically has the common villains at the top to least common at the bottom? [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:53, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I 100% agree, I am wondering what your stance on those two products being overrated is (or do you just want to hear my opinion)? Also, the iceberg mainly goes from more well known robot villains towards the top to more obscure robot villains towards the bottom. I am curious on what robot villains you would like to propose for the iceberg? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:19, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I have no suggestions for iceberg, sorry. I feel the aesthetic of SMB Wonder is too bright and has an art style that's mainly suited to Eastern audiences rather than globally (at least that's how I personally see it). Some Wonder effects are just too much for me, like the singing Piranha Plants. Aside from points about SMB Movie we've gone over before, I've heard [https://twitter.com/grantkirkhope/status/1643446092791705600 they didn't credit Grant Kirkhope for the DK Rap] (cold move right there). [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 03:23, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah the art style for ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' makes it feel like a mobile game, and the Wonder Flower effects are mostly just throwing random garbage at the wall to see what sticks (usually making the levels even worse when activating them), but there are some other issues as well such as the awful bland level design that is incredibly downgraded compared to what we had in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games (mostly to make the awful Wonder Flower gimmicks), easily the worst enemy roster of any mainline ''Mario'' title period (with numerous recurring staples being not i ley absent in favor of only the really basic enemies (with very few exceptions) and the new enemies either being really mediocre and forgettable with nothing that makes them standout, or some of the worst enemies in the entire franchise), only having two pretty damn bad bosses, the airship levels easily being the worst airships in the entire franchise, and the last few levels of the game (the last three before the final boss) being some of the most poorly designed and unfun levels in the entire franchise (with the last level especially just being random garbage thrown at you with no rhyme or reason, kind of like the rest of the game). It sucks since ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' had potential to be an amazing game, but what we got was an abysmal gimmicky mess that is incredibly bland and annoying to play through (not to mention how some people act like it is the best ''Mario'' game of all time, when in reality it is easily one of the worst ones). I seriously do not get why ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' gets all the praise and attention for being a pile of overrated garbage while ''Sonic Superstars'' gets hated on despite it having far more positives than ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' ever had. What do you personally think on all of this? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:33, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
I think you have a very good way of describing things. While I haven't analyzed ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' to the extent that you have (I've decided to pass on it), I do think that it does feel like things being thrown at a wall until they can find something that sticks. THIS is why fangame developers matter: eventually, something is going to hit the point of the same ideas being regurgitated and eaten again by the same people, unless they are willing to expand their creativity, including to people who may know the franchise EVEN MORE than they do. Throwing something until it sticks never ever does it for me; one has to have a proper basis or inspiration, like ''Super Mario Sunshine'' is an inspired and great game. I haven't played ''Sonic Superstars'', but I have seen ads for it. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 04:43, March 5, 2024 (UTC)
:I think that is a pretty good perspective on things, I also heard rumors that the team who made ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' had ideas for a sequel, which concerns me since I feel like this will just lead to something like ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' where they do not improve any of the flaws the original game had and just do more of the same (and considering how AWFUL ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' is, I could imagine them making the game even worse by having more barebones and terrible level design and still having a lack of returning enemies in favor of awful new ones that look like they were AI generated). Do you agree that a sequel to ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' would likely just be as poorly made as the original game? One last thing I wanted to note on is if you agree that ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' is way too overrated and overhyped for a game that is mediocre at best and is basically just watered down level design and enemies in favor for awful poorly executed gimmicks? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:40, March 6, 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm in agreement. A sequel does sound as if it'd be in the line of ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder''. Not the first time this has occurred in the ''Super Mario'' series, as there's been ''Super Mario Maker'' receiving a follow-up, ''Super Mario Galaxy'' receiving a follow up. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 17:57, March 6, 2024 (UTC)
Question, mind suggesting a Monty Mole species-related page or section of a page I could help rewrite? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 01:56, March 14, 2024 (UTC)
:I don't have any suggestions. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:25, March 14, 2024 (UTC)
::What enemy species pages do you plan on updating and rewriting in the future? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:27, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
:::Unsure at the moment. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 21:46, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
::::You agree ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' was pretty lacking in terms of enemy content (as many of the new enemies are boring and uninteresting and there are barely any returning enemies (with the few who did reappear being the typical generic picks))? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:56, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
:::::We've been over this before. Yes. Roller blades Koopas are epic though. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 23:46, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
::::::What do you think of [https://mario.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000290072 this theory] that I made? I thought it was a pretty interesting perspective on why Monty had similarities to Rocky Wrench despite being unrelated to them. Also, are you cool with uploading the Morty Mole pages from volume 46 of ''Super Mario-kun'' (they are in chapter 4 by the way)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 06:22, April 11, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Where's a link to the images? Also, I found the theory a bit confusing, but it could just be me. Hope you don't mind I've been slow at editing. Just... focusing on distant projects. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 11:30, April 11, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::The page numbers are pages 57-64 in volume 46 by the way. Are you cool with uploading them? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 06:25, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::You'll have to show me where they are. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 16:04, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you mean by "where they are?" I am a bit confused on that question. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:42, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::The images for me to upload. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 01:36, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::That Internet Archive thing that had all of those Super Mario-kun scans from volumes 1-57, remember? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 06:53, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes, I do. Because it may not seem as fair use, I don't want to upload entire pages, but I'm willing to do individual panels from the pages. Which ones? I've extracted the pages for you to review [https://files.catbox.moe/kv5x8a.zip here]. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 16:41, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yeah I guess that is fair, I mainly wanted these pages for a future YouTube video I was working on. Also, I was wondering if you could upload the images that were uploaded onto the Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench gallery on the Super Mario Wiki recently? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 17:21, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, you can download the pages above. Are you not able to add them? Show me which ones? [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 17:22, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
I actually only wanted to use these pages for a future video I was planning on making, so thanks for your help. I guess the only image I can think of that could be added to this wiki is the Spike Eel for the Spike Eel page, but I do think you would have to combine both pages to get the full image. What do you think about the Mario manga? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 17:32, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
:You're welcome. I haven't read the ''Mario'' manga (I'm more knowledgeable of the games & I can't read Japanese). Where are your YouTube videos? [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 17:40, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
::On my YouTube channel (same name as my account name here). Wanna update some enemy pages someday? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 17:48, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, maybe. I'm just doing lots of personal projects at the moment. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 17:52, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
::::What are your thoughts on [https://www.suppermariobroth.com/post/653537195566710784/the-art-of-super-mario-odyssey-book-reveals-that this fact] I found on Supper Mario Broth? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:48, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
:::::Truth be told, I think I agree with it, but I know NSMBFan probably wanted the two articles separate for a reason. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 19:54, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
::::::To be perfectly honest, Mario enemy terminology has been pretty inconsistent and confusing the more you look into it, do you agree? Also, you agree that the confusing nature of most Mario enemies doesn’t really apply for the Badniks from Sonic? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 23:18, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, I agree to both. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 23:23, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Also, have you seen how the Super Mario Wiki is now treating the Undergunt species like they are 100% related to the Monty Mole species again with no proof whatsoever? Do you agree this is one of the dumbest things the Super Mario Wiki has done? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:59, May 5, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::No comment, sorry. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:38, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You cool if I make a post on the fandom Mario Wiki discussing how stupid the Super Mario Wiki is for making this decision? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:46, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah, maybe some others will have some more insight than what I have. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:49, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I know NSMB fan would certainly hate what the Super Mario Wiki is doing right now lol. Also, I was wondering if we should merge Maw-Ray with Ugani (since ''Mario Kart Tour'' called Ugani a Maw-Ray)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:57, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yeah [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 02:59, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I can see it tbh, as it isn’t some BS that the [[Mario Portal]] made up. Also, outside of that stupid excuse the Super Mario Wiki made to randomly consider Monty a variant of Rocky Wrench, I was wondering what your thoughts were on the [https://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Rocky_Wrench#The_return_-_treat_Monty_Mole_as_derivative_of_Rocky_Wrench proposal] that they made where they think that Monty Mole is a variant of Rocky Wrench rather than a relative (I am taking it with a grain of salt considering the decision they made with Monty)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:06, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I think they're relatives, since their relation to one another seems to be done interchangeably. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 03:07, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::So is it best to just keep Monty Mole and Rocky Wrenches as relatives like we have done so in the past? Also, what enemy page would you like to rewrite next? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:11, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Yeah I think keep them as-is for now. As for enemy pages, I just pick a random one that needs to be redone (with outdated templates, categories, and of the sort). [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 03:33, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Yeah I sort of do the same thing sometimes as well. What enemy page do you wanna revamp right now? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 05:34, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::I'll think about it. [[User:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|Eeyore the Iowan Goat]] ([[User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat|talk]]) 12:29, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
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