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To continue discussion, I don't have plans to create the Yoshipedia articles rn, and the discussion should continue here because I archived the discussion for a reason. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:26, September 15, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so are you still making other wikis on other stuff right now? Also I will use that volume 31 image you uploaded for the Yoshipedia section if that is fine with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:33, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Not at the moment -- I've gotta prepare to have some dinner. And yes that's exactly why I uploaded the images, as you said you were going to use them I think. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:48, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
When I get to writing the sections is it recommended that I write the words first and then add images? Also, I don’t want to cause any stress or anything but I am curious if you are ready to do the Yoshipedia stuff right now (after like your dinner)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:52, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
I'll get to that in my own time, like with the screenshots in the PipeProject list. It not me brushing it off, if that makes sense. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:02, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I looked at the Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope page on Mario Wiki and saw that moles were listed as characters. So uh mind, screenshooting the part that showed the moles so I can confirm if they are Monty Mole species or not? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:58, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
I don't own that game (sry it's embarrassing that there's handful of games I don't own -- particularly from Switch catalog [tho i do have MP Superstars]). Bawitdaba (talk) 03:04, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
No I meant the wiki said there where moles in this trailer: Do you mind checking to see if they look like Monty Mole or not and providing a screenshot of them? Oh also I finished the Super Mario-kun section on the Yoshipedia Monty Mole page. Off topic question but are you able to build the Rocky Wrench sprite from Sticker Star using the spritesheet? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:45, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
I'll check the trailer. Congrats on the Yoshipedia effort! And I'm not an expert at assembling sprites (and there's always the possibility of it being slightly inaccurate). Bawitdaba (talk) 11:17, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I saw the mole and I don’t know if it is meant to be a part of the Monty Mole species or not? What do you think? I wont consider it a part of the species until further proof though. Anyways anything new and what should we do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:50, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Same here --- I wouldn't call it a part unless it's outright confirmed. And nothing's new on my end, no Bawitdaba (talk) 22:22, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Wanna work on the Yoshipedia stuff right now? And yeah I do kind of hope it is some sort of Monty Mole species but if not then it would probably be just a generic mole character. I do hope Monty Moles themselves appear in that game but I will just wait and see. Also what should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:55, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps I could -- or make articles on subjects relating to Monty Mole (items, locations, etc.) Bawitdaba (talk) 22:56, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that could work, do you hope Monty Moles make an appearance in the new Mario & Rabbids? Also mind uploading a SM64 DS Monty Mole screenshot? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:59, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that would be cool if they made an appearance. Also, yes, take a look here. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:19, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool, also quick question, when Yoshi eats the Monty Moles do they respawn and can he even eat them? Also nice screenshot. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:24, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment :) Also, he cannot eat them. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:29, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
So what Monty Mole stuff should I do right now? Should we try and find a person who can help translate Japanese right now? It could help let me use the manga sections. Oh also, are there any fully 100% accurate online Japanese translators that can translate images? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:55, September 15, 2022 (UTC)
Mariuigi Khed seem still active -- I saw him editing MarioWiki earlier. I don't know about anything fully accurate. As for Monty Mole stuff -- that's for you to decide. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:03, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I might try and email him again. You cool with making articles to stuff relating to Monty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:20, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
On it Bawitdaba (talk) 00:21, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the Monty’s Revenge page and it was cool, any other Monty Mole pages you are gonna make (like Mole-it! from Mario Party 6)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:55, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps Bawitdaba (talk) 01:03, September 16, 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for asking this a lot but are you ready to do the Yoshipedia stuff right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:06, September 16, 2022 (UTC)

Not right now, no. Why asking a lot? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:20, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I don’t know, I am just kind of anxious since there hasn’t been any new official news lately and I am having an extremely hard time to find someone that can help translate (trust me I tried everything). Are there any 100% accurate translators? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:29, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
None that I'm aware of. I have tried all I could to try & help you out here, if that helps at all. (i.e. focus on ways how me, HMfan, etc have been of help to you) Bawitdaba (talk) 01:49, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool, quick question? Was Monty Mole referenced in the Ninja Hideaway track in Mario Kart Tour and can you check? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:50, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Where did it suggest they are? (I don't play gacha games like Tour btw :P) Bawitdaba (talk) 01:57, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I saw that Wiggler was referenced in Ninja Hideaway so I was wondering if the same applied for Monty Mole, also you can check YouTube footage if you want (and idc if it is for the MK8 version). Tell me if it had a Monty Mole species reference in it or not? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:06, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Why do you want me to check YouTube specifically? (For emulator screencaps I get, but YouTube is easily accessible to anyone). Bawitdaba (talk) 02:24, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Oh sorry, oh I was wondering how much progress you are on for BIS just curious? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:43, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I haven't started a playthrough of it -- remind me which parts you want a screenshot from? Bawitdaba (talk) 02:44, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
A screenshot for Mawful Mole and Metal Mawful Mole in-battle (no need for the second screen for this), a screenshot of the Metal Mawful Moles running away from Bowser in the original (since he can encounter them by battling a specific Mechawful), screenshot of the Mawful Moles repairing the Tower of Yikk, and several more screenshots of the Fawful Express including when the Monty Bros. are on the jetpacks. Oh also, can you get all of this stuff to from the 3ds remake as well, thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:47, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I don't have Citra setup, but perhaps you can ask Scrooge200 for help as he is able to emulate high-end consoles like the Nintendo 3DS, Wii U, etc. If I do a playthrough of the original DS version just for those couple of screenshots, it could take a while to reach that certain part of the game. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:01, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe try installing some hacks to make the game go faster so you can get to those parts easier? Does that sound like a good idea? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:06, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Possibly, but did you hear what I said about Scrooge200 having the ability to capture 3DS, Wii U, even Switch images? He did a LOT for Paper Mario series, from what I've seen. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:07, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
The Nintendo Switch is probably the easiest console to transfer screenshots for because of the built in screenshot thing. And yeah I heard, I did use Citra emulator but the only games I took screenshots of were Super Mario 3D Land and the 3ds remake of Yoshi’s Woolly World, and I can’t use the emulator right now. Oh also, do you mind making a page for the Fawful Bob-mobs the Monty Bros. have in the battle against the Fawful Express? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:18, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
I'll leave you to get to that (or add to our Monty Mole PipeProject list). Bawitdaba (talk) 10:46, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I will go to school now but you can work on stuff while I am gone. You cool with that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:49, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ok later. And I always work on stuff on wikis, whether here or elsewhere. :P Bawitdaba (talk) 12:51, September 16, 2022 (UTC)

Hi, so anything new? Oh also, have you seen my Monty Mole iceberg yet? Just wondering. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:59, September 16, 2022 (UTC)

I'm back -- a friend was here, so apologies for delayed response. Not much is new though. And I believe I've said twice before that I've seen it, yes. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:04, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, any entries you want to suggest me to put on there? I do like having suggesti9ns from other people. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:08, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
None come to mind, no Bawitdaba (talk) 23:09, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Do you think Mogura Kong from Super Mario-kun volume 31 page 28 is meant to be a Rocky Wrench variant or something? Also do you think they deserve a page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:44, September 16, 2022 (UTC)
Yes and yes Bawitdaba (talk) 00:04, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Oh cool, I guess it makes sense because they share the same nose and goggles as Rocky Wrench (which is ironic since Rocky Wrenches are in volume 30), mind uploading an image of Mogura Kong? Also, how should I put Mogura Kong as like a notable member of Rocky Wrench or a relative or what? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:09, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure yet -- and I'm bit tired to edit rn (and need to get dinner soon), so perhaps remind me tomorrow or so about it Bawitdaba (talk) 00:56, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, what should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:08, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Nothing comes to mind at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 13:53, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Also I am ready to make a page on Mogura Kong, but can you upload an image of them first? Also, mind telling me how they would connect to the species (like as a notable member of Rocky Wrench or a relative or what)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:11, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Is this what you were talking about? I see it has the same goggles as a Rocky Wrench. With that I'd say that if it's a character, then it's a notable member, but if its a species, call it a relative (as it isn't made clear that they are derivatives of Rocky Wrench). Hope this helps -- and feel free to move the file name as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:18, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah it is only a singular character so I think it is probably a notable member. Would notable members of relatives be listed in the other relatives section or the character section in the navbox? Pūko is listed as a character (though she is also a Monty Mole as well as a Rocky Wrench). Also mind helping with the foreign names section for big Monty Mole? It was the first time I made one from scratch and I took the names from the big Monty Mole talk page on Super Mario Wiki. Also, mind replacing the YCW big Monty Mole image with the image from this: MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:47, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
I think you're better suited to find the foreign names for Big Monty Mole, though I could look through some of the German guides and manuals on Internet Archive to see what other names I can find. And no, characters cannot be listed under relatives -- that's for species only. One doesn't have to rule out the possibility of a character being a shared notable member of both Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench. And yes I can go ahead and replace the image. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:52, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Hey, should the Powered-Up enemy designs planned for Super Mario Odyssey have their own pages and not be considered the same as the Broodals, since the Broodals are completely different. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:40, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
If they're entirely different, then yes Bawitdaba (talk) 16:58, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, do you think that most of the concept art design Broodals were most likely different characters that were eventually replaced with the Broodals (especially the Powered-Up enemy ones)? Most of them are entirely different species and feel more like they were originally just concepts for different characters that were eventually replaced with the Broodals (which imo, are the worst design they chose). What do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:06, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
If you think they deserve an article, go right ahead -- I'll take a look when you're done. Also, this something not Monty/Rocky-related for once? :P Bawitdaba (talk) 18:07, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
I think this is still something about Monty Mole still. Also, anything new happening lately? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:24, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah -- I'm working on Minecraft stuff on this wiki. Big WIP Bawitdaba (talk) 18:32, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Do any Monty Mole species even appear in Minecraft? Also good luck with doing the Minecraft stuff. Also should arcade games be labeled in other appearances (like the more obscure ones like Mario Undōkai)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:39, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Non-Nintendo systems should have as much representation as Nintendo ones (e.g. Philips CD-i, Atari 2600, Arcade) because Mario titles were still released for those systems. In other words, don't merge them all into "other appearances." Also... doesn't seem like Monty Moles or Rocky Wrenches appear in Minecraft mash-up :( Bawitdaba (talk) 18:57, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, also I made the Powered-Up Rocky Wrench page, tell me what you think of it. Also, what would you think is the most obscure Monty Mole appearance? Oh and also, do the Super Mario Maker games give unique names for the enemies when they have the wings, the Super Mushroom, and the parachute? Oh and also do you mind helping get a screenshot of Monty Mole in Mario Kart 7 later? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:33, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure about the names. I like the Powered-Up Rocky Wrench article you did. Too hard to define what the most "obscure" appearance is. I don't have 3DS emu set up. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:35, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Oh do you mind checking? Also should the big and winged versions of Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench (though the former already has a big version page) have pages or no? I am unsure if big versions of enemies such as Rocky Wrench should get their own page if they only appeared in Super Mario Maker and nowhere else. Oh speaking of which, mind checking if they have official names when placed in Super Mario Maker? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:41, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
I'm working on some other stuff (like the Minecraft page), so I advise to add it to the PipeProject list for us to get to some other time Bawitdaba (talk) 19:43, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will talk about it later. If you see any Monty Mole species stuff in Minecraft please tell me, ok thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:50, September 17, 2022 (UTC)
Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 19:51, September 17, 2022 (UTC)

So found anything yet? Also, what should I do right now? Oh and also after your done with the Minecraft Mash Up pack stuff mind making pages for the other Powered-Up Regular Enemies? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:00, September 18, 2022 (UTC)

No I haven't -- I was at a friend's house. Are you not able to do articles for them? Bawitdaba (talk) 03:12, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
I am more focused on the Monty Mole species if that is ok. Also my question about if the big and winged versions of enemies in the Super Mario Maker games should get pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:19, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I think they could. I'd need to check Super Mario Maker (I do have that game) for names, but it's late now & I need to sleep. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:28, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, just tell me tomorrow. Also mind providing screenshots as well (especially for the big enemies) since they share the same sprites as the main enemies (though the winged ones do have some sprites I can upload besides the NSMBU style). Also, should that Monty Mole mech at the end of Shaun’s Mossy Mole Mischief have a page or no since it is more of a stage thing? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:32, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
Keep on stage article for now. Do you want screenshots from Mario Maker 1 or 2? I have digital copy of the second game, so I could play through that a bit. As for Wii U screenshots, I can only get them in pause mode of SSB 4 Wii U, thru its built-in screenshot function. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:13, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
I do not mind you getting screenshots from the second game, though I think you could get some from the first game if it is spastic to a certain stage. Anyways do you mind getting good screenshots of winged/big Rocky Wrench and Monty Mole snd also big winged of them to? Oh and do they have different names when placed when they are big or winged or is it the same? Big Monty Mole did originate from Super MarIo Maker after all and they do have a page (though they did make other appearances). Lastly, should we keep Rocky Wrench listed as a Koopa or no since it was never confirmed from my knowledge, they were only called turtles. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:28, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
Rocky Wrenches are def not Koopas. And I'll see if I can get to the Super Mario Maker thing as well as with the names. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:13, September 18, 2022 (UTC)
Sorry I was doing something else, so anyways how is progress going? Also should the winged versions of enemies get their own pages like Paratroopa and Paragoomba? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:34, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Ofc they should, yes. Also, sry if newbie question but how does one check for names while placing objects? I do have Mario Maker in my Wii U atm Bawitdaba (talk) 00:44, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
When you place an object it has a voice saying the name of said object (so like if I placed a Monty Mole it would say Monty Mole). I was wondering if the objects get different names when big or have wings. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if the noise is only projected from the TV, as I was playing from my Wii U GamePad. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:03, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Did you get it figured out yet? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:31, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Not yet -- it's late & I haven't had dinner yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:39, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, you cool with getting all the screenshots and stuff while I am in school tommorow and I can make the pages for the MoNtY Mole species stuff? Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:42, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Idk if I can do screenshots, but I can def take a look for names. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:43, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:55, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
So tomorrow mind helping make pages for the big and winged enemy variants (starting with Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:11, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Didn't you say you'd get to that? Bawitdaba (talk) 09:22, September 19, 2022 (UTC)


Hey, I saw that you reverted some of my edits with the class=sprite. The reason I did those edits in the first place was because without them, the screenshots would be blurry. So can we come up with a compromise or something? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:41, October 13, 2022 (UTC)

Also, sorry for enlarging images since I just like having the images decently big and not incredibly small. Also, I just like using class=sprite because it makes screenshots and sprites look nicer and not extremely blurry. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:00, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, what was the dialogue for the Monty Bros. when you fail the drill minigame since I can’t find anyone failing that minigame on YouTube? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:03, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Was there any such difference with the quality of the screenshots (including manga scans) when you added them? Also, I did not check that part. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:04, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah there is a difference in terms of image quality. The sprites usually look blurry without the class=sprite (at least on mobile) and that is why I am adding the class=sprite. Also, Fun, Funky, and Functional Monty Mole and Hello Mole both use sprites and King Choropū is a pixelated screenshot that looks bad without the class=sprite. Hopefully you understand. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:24, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok then. Perhaps if I take a look into this I could figure out what's causing it on mobile. I'm on desktop rn Bawitdaba (talk) 02:25, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok then, do you mind me adding back the class=sprite for Fun, Funky, and Functional Monty Mole and Hello Mole since they technically use sprites? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:26, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Sure. If the blurriness thing get fixed for mobile, may not need them then, but for now, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 02:28, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok thanks, this also applies to manga scans sometimes so is it ok if I use class=sprite there or no? Also my question about the Monty Bros.? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:32, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
I said I did not check the dialogue for if failing at that minigame. And go right ahead Bawitdaba (talk) 02:33, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok thanks, also are you close to the Tower of Yikk fight yet since that boss defiantly needs more screenshots. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:37, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, I was wondering on your opinion if Presenter is a species of Mega Mole or just a relative since they seem to be more directly a species of Monty Mole. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:44, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
I think it just a Monty Mole. Also, as for Tower of Yikk -- not sure how far off that is, but because I can't emulate the Mic properly on DeSmume, i'll need to use a YT screencap again for the Tower of Yikk. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:45, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Is the mic mandatory to do the battle and can you still see the Mawful Moles without using the mic? Also for the Presenter question, Presenters are there own unique Monty Mole species which could also possibly be Mega Mole relatives due to their very similar designs. In the remake, they are replaced by bowtie wearing Monty Moles. Do you think Presenter is a relative to Mega Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:54, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Also, for the giant battles in the 3DS remake are you going to use YouTube screenshots or emulator screenshots? If you can find a 100% save file of the 3DS remake you can fight the giant battles much easier as they can be battled again in like the gauntlet. I mainly want a lot of screenshots for the Fawful Express which could be used for like their page if that is cool with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:57, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
For breathing fire in the battle? Yes. And I agree on Presenter being a Mega Mole relative -- you are correct about the similar designs, though perhaps I just want to be safe & say variant of Monty Mole because the Mega Mole seem like a design inspiration & not to mention how, as you discovered, it was flat-out replaced with a Monty Mole. Official sources do not elaborate upon the relation between M&LSS Presenter and Mega Moles. As for 3DS remake, YouTube screenshots (image quality can be worried about some other time). Bawitdaba (talk) 03:00, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah Mega Mole relative seems fine for Presenter since it seems that they have an inspired design but are more likely more related to Monty Mole. The same can be said for Morty Mole being both a Mega Mole relative and a variant of Monty Mole, you agree? Also, which parts are mandatory to use fire attack in the Tower of Yikk fight? Also, I am pretty sure the 3Ds remake doesn’t force you to use breath controls to use the fire attack right? Anyways, do you mind revamping the Presenter location thing by moving some of it to the Monty Mole page for the 3DS remake stuff while the stuff about the original game is in the Presenter page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:16, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
I'm a bit overworked rn & have to go to bed soon. As I said we can worry about image quality another day -- the main point is that I retrieved screencap for Tower of Yikk, I'm really tired from already taking a few hours of my day to go through Bowser's Inside Story. I honestly don't know anything about the Presenter, truth be told (I haven't played M&L Superstar Saga in years), so you'll need to bring that up with HMfan or list something in the PipeProject. I trust you know what you're doing with regards to that. Also, it says here that breathing fire is required in Giant Bowser battles. Also, class=sprite is no longer needed because i added a script that make all images show class=sprite automatically Bawitdaba (talk) 03:23, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, anyways thanks for helping out and making that script for class=show. Also I am worked out as well since today has been a busy day. Wanna do that stuff I requested like tomorrow or something? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:28, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Possibly -- add to PipeProject so I don't forget. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:29, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe, but I am burned out today and the stuff I did ask was like in the paragraphs above if you want to see for yourself. Also, I love the class=sprite script you did. All the images are no longer blurry and I adore it cause I hate blurry images and prefer pixelated stuff over it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:32, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
You mean the fix so that class=sprite no longer has to be entered? (It's also a custom class). and yes, same -- for gaming wikis it makes more sense to display things pixelated by default. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:34, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I totally agree since a lot of games at least have some pixelated stuff to them. And also, I really love how the script turned out as well. Today has been a busy day in terms of editing so I guess we can rest until tomorrow. I’ll be back once I am done with school and stuff tomorrow. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:26, October 13, 2022 (UTC)

Species stats

Hi, mind adding the Monty Mole species stats from the Mario RPGs? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:11, October 13, 2022 (UTC)

Eventually -- add to PipeProject list for the meantime. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:12, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:27, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Sorry -- I was updating King Boo article. I can't immediately get to everything Monty/Rocky-related at once. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:28, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Thats fine, anyways just do the RPG stats when you feel like it. I put them in the PipeProject by the way. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:29, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
So any plans that we can do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:29, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
No Bawitdaba (talk) 23:32, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, wanna get some stuff from the PipeProject done? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:40, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
In my own time -- I'd prefer you don't ask as it can be difficult for me to gauge when I can get to it (and I do let you know what tasks are within my skill range and which aren't). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:46, October 13, 2022 (UTC)
Ok fair. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:11, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for understanding -- I def get why you're eager for us to get to more Monty Mole stuff, so no worries about that. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:26, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah its fine. Also, do you like the rewrites I do of sections sometimes like the one I did recently for Morty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:38, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
I do, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 00:39, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, also, what the heck is that weird Monty Mole thing in the world map of Origami Gardens in Yoshi’s Crafted World? It seems sentient as it can be seen moving. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:42, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure, as I've not yet played that game Bawitdaba (talk) 00:45, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Just look up "Origami Gardens Yoshi’s Crafted World" on Google and you’ll find it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:53, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
So, did you see that weird Monty Mole thing I was talking about? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:22, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Not yet. Also, I have to sleep now, night Bawitdaba (talk) 03:22, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Hi, wanna do some stuff today like the PipeProject stuff? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:06, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
I could perhaps do the species stats -- I do know I wanted to restyle the RPG stat templates in any case. Also, if you find a YouTube video with Monty Mole skeleton link it to me Bawitdaba (talk) 22:12, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, probably look up a Mario Strikers Charged longplay and it could possibly have it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:20, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Anything I can do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:57, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Did you look for Monty Mole electrocuted in Mario Strikers Charged? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:58, October 14, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, are you making the Mario RPG stat template because I see you did Super Mario RPG. Also not yet, I can check though. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:00, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I am working on the stat templates Bawitdaba (talk) 00:00, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, so how is progress going so far? Also anything in particular I can do right now? Also I think this video can help or the Monty Mole electrocuted thing: MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:57, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Progress is fine. The Monty Mole electrocution was the only thing that occurred to mind, thank you Bawitdaba (talk) 00:58, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
No problem, also how come Yoshi Touch & Go is not a part of the Yoshi platform series? Also would Wooly World and Crafted World be a part of the platform series, despite not being called Yoshi’s Island games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:04, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
The series are distinguished by whether Baby Mario (or other babies) are carried on Yoshi's back (or one of the main characters alongside Yoshi). Bawitdaba (talk) 01:11, October 15, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, but Yoshi Touch & Go does have Baby Mario? So what Yoshi games constitute being in the platform series and which ones do not. Also I saw you doing the RPG statistics and they look good. Two questions though. 1. Why is there a type thing that says Monty Mole is ground type? 2. Do the Mt. Rugged Monty Moles drop Honey Syrup since I thought only the Flower Fields ones did. Anyways other then that, it looks good. If it helps, I will make a checklist of every enemy appearance of a Monty Mole species that you can use. I hope it helps and you can also feel free to check any appearances you done.

  • Monty Mole (Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam)
  • Monty Mole (Flower Fields) (Paper Mario)
  • Mawful Mole (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey)
  • Metal Mawful Mole (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey)
  • Rocky Wrench (Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Paper Mario: Color Splash)
  • Origami Rocky Wrench (Paper Mario: The Origami King)

Anyways I hope this can help with organizing stats. Also I didn’t mention any NPC appearances of Monty Mole species cause it was obsolete. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:50, October 15, 2022 (UTC)

Also is Mario Party Legacy an official source or is it just some fans making fanmade guides for people? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:30, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yoshi Touch & Go I think doesn't really have any category, so others just said it's a spinoff of the Yoshi's Island series. Also, I was merely taking the stats from the MarioWiki page, so if there's oddities and/or inaccuracies, could be something on their end (though I doubt it). Perhaps will need to take a look at Prima/NP Guide statistics for verification (or extra stats, if any are missing). Bawitdaba (talk) 03:11, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the stats and stuff, also are you going to work on the other Monty Mole species RPG stats tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:12, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
That's my plan, yep. night! Bawitdaba (talk) 04:13, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Ok goodnight, one last thing I want to ask is if you can help make a Monty Mole page on the SEGA wiki since they appeared in Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:16, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I could. Would be pretty short :P (also I'm founder of Sega Wiki). Bawitdaba (talk) 04:17, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Fair, did Monty Moles ever appear in any other crossover games or Sega games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:26, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
The Monty Mole article should have the answers, I'm thinking. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:27, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Good point, also my question on Mario Party Legacy? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:45, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Also there is a demo for Yoshi’s Crafted World which I think has Monty-Mole-B-Gone in it, so if you want to get some good Monty Mole screenshots there that would be cool. Also, do you mind getting a screenshot of a big Monty Mole with their red fur? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:08, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Show me where I can get a screenshot of that. Also, MP Legacy is a fansite (sry I sometimes get overwhelmed wit questions and forget to answer them :P). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:34, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
You can find the demo here: MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:12, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Wait... does the full version have Monty Mole-B-Gone as well? Bawitdaba (talk) 15:15, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Uh, it is the full game, of course it would have that level in it. I just know that the demo has that level to (because the screenshot used on the big Monty Mole page was taken from said demo). Anyways, did you make a page for Monty Mole on the SEGA wiki yet? Just curious. I am also a fan of some Sonic bosses and enemies if that helps, so is it ok if I suggest that Madmole can get a page or something? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:21, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
You're more than welcome to join Sega Wiki. Also, I decided to just order a copy of Yoshi's Crafted World for myself. And before you ask, yes, I will try and continue with the RPG stuff today. Looks like we're on a roll! Bawitdaba (talk) 15:22, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah we are, also I don’t have a screenshot of Monty Mole in Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games so that is why I asked if you could make it. Don’t worry, I will also add onto it as well. Also is the NintendoForce magazine official or fanmade? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:49, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Nintendo Force is fanmade Bawitdaba (talk) 15:54, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:17, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
No prob Bawitdaba (talk) 16:28, October 15, 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Heroes Walkie-Talkie

Hi, I had a good idea for a page on the SEGA wiki. There is this sentient Walkie-Talkie in Sonic Heroes and I was wondering if you could make a page for it and find more appearances of it in other media and games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:29, October 15, 2022 (UTC)

Are you not able to do it? Bawitdaba (talk) 19:14, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
It is just hard finding good images of the Walkie-Talkie and all their appearances. Also I am just less familiar with the SEGA wiki. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:17, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
So are you just playing through Yoshi’s Crafted World right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:22, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
No I ordered myself a physical copy of it. Also, I may get to finishing up the RPG stuff later. I'm playing Olympic Winter Games for the Nintendo DS rn. Also been a long time since I've played Sonic Heroes on GCN (tho that was a childhood game of mine) Bawitdaba (talk) 19:23, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Ok fair, I might be busy working on the manga sections tomorrow since OtistheDrag0n said they would be open on Sunday. Also, I don’t really think the DS version of the Olympic Winter Games has Monty Mole in it. Am I right or wrong on that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:48, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
You're correct -- I was just playing it for fun Bawitdaba (talk) 21:57, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, makes sense. The only Mario & Sonic game I care about is the 2012 London Olympics one (the Wii version) since it is the only one with Monty Mole in it. Anyways, any new discoveries made or stuff that should be done (like the rest of the RPG stats)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:13, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
I'm having a friend over soon, so me getting to it will be few hours later at minimal Bawitdaba (talk) 22:14, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok. I am excited for tomorrow since OtistheDrag0n said they will help with the manga translations stuff tomorrow. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Anything I can do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Nothing comes to mind at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 22:22, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah same, which page rewrite that I made do you think was the best? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:31, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Monty Mole, perhaps? Bawitdaba (talk) 22:32, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah maybe. Also, are there any interesting pieces of Monty Mole species info that the Super Mario Wiki buried for no reason? I could take a look and see what I could do with it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:34, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
You can possibly find some in the edit history if that's the case Bawitdaba (talk) 22:36, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah fair, but I am curious if you want to check sometime or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:47, October 15, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe, though I may already have done so Bawitdaba (talk) 11:35, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
A glitch occurred where some parts of the wiki (like the main page and the under construction thing in the list of misconceptions) is just a gray box saying the file is missing. Mind fixing that glitch? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:32, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
I'm not Miraheze staff, and it's an issue across wikis in general. I went to ask the community noticeboard about this (also, the images are still on server, just not displaying & they are saying it shared repository when it's not the case). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:34, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Oh so it is just a glitch that Miraheze is having right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:51, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Looks like it, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 16:56, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Someone (and another person) added a Phabricator task to hopefully get this fixed. This affect wikis with both repositories enabled and those with it disabled. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:04, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, what should we do right now? I also written three more misconceptions on the list of misconceptions page, tell me what you think of them? Also I might ask OtistheDrag0n if their ready to help translate the manga sections since today is Sunday and they said they would help on Sunday (though they might be active during different times since they live in Paris). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:08, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah go ahead and ask. Also I think it looks fine (though I'm not as aware of these errors as some of the others are). I'm pretty tired rn btw Bawitdaba (talk) 17:14, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ok that is fine. I had a comment to what you said on the talk page for the list of misconceptions if you want to see that to. Anyways, feel free to rest if you need to. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:21, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
Ty buddy Bawitdaba (talk) 17:23, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
No problem. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:40, October 16, 2022 (UTC)
So uh, what should we do right now? Also if you were wondering, OtistheDrag0n has not responded yet (maybe because time zones). So yeah I have mostly been just waiting. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:15, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
No need to ask what to do. I'm bit busy rn Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, October 17, 2022 (UTC)

Mega Mole

Ok, also quick question? What do you think about the Dinosaur Dilemma and Flown The Koopa info on the Mega Mole page being put in the inappropriate tab? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:57, October 17, 2022 (UTC)

Truth be told, I only really intended that template for Japanese media like Super Mario kun because it has actual inappropriate content within it (what's deemed family-friendly here is different than in Japan) or perhaps like a references page if adult animation referenced Mario. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:07, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Oh like the one 4koma strip where Yoshi licked Monty Mole in the genitals? I have not really seen anything that inappropriate done to Monty Moles in Super Mario-kun besides some murders. Also, I put the inappropriate tag on the Dinosaur Dilemma and Flown the Koopa Mega Mole stuff because of how disturbing and malicious the Mega Moles act. It is certainly pretty extreme and probably the darkest piece of English Mario media. What do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:42, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, like that 4koma strip. I guess if you feel the template is fitting to add, go right ahead. What does HMfan think? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:44, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
I never asked him (and I have no idea if he even read the Nintendo Adventure Books). Do you mind asking for me? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:51, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
It's fine, let's just keep the Inappropriate template intact then Bawitdaba (talk) 01:54, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, anything else you want to ask? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:55, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
No. Also sry for being slow with the RPG stats Bawitdaba (talk) 01:59, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Its fine, also are you going to get to those RPG stats right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:01, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Too late for me to get to them, sorry Bawitdaba (talk) 02:02, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Its fine, tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:06, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Sure, though obviously I can't promise anything Bawitdaba (talk) 02:07, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the RPG stats and they looked great. Anyways, is there anything new that has been going on lately? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:51, October 17, 2022 (UTC)
Not really -- I still need to do a few other stat templates though Bawitdaba (talk) 02:09, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, there is still the Rocky Wrench stats left. Also, a new user is helping me translate the 4koma manga (since OtistheDrag0n said they were busy with personal stuff). Is that cool with you? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:59, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Ofc it's fine Bawitdaba (talk) 03:00, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, also do you wanna add a few more misconceptions to the list of misconceptions page sometime? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:23, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
No because I can't think of anything & that was something you and HMfan came up with Bawitdaba (talk) 12:24, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Ok good point. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:51, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
So, what should we do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:43, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
tbh I'm tired of being asked that. If I think of something I will let you know myself. Perhaps add articles (e.g. locations, items, etc) relating to Monty Mole. I still haven't done the Color Splash & Origami King table templates yet, so I still need to get to those. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:50, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Good idea, I might make a page on Breezy Tunnel since it is my favorite area in the whole series. The page on the Mario Wiki is a bit lacking so it can help a lot. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:09, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Alright :) Bawitdaba (talk) 23:13, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Right now I am busy revamping the Super Mario-kun section on the Monty Mole page but I might make a Breezy Tunnel page later. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:20, October 18, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I did my rewrite of the Super Mario-kun section, tell me what you think of it? While I was rewriting it, I found an error where I wrote that Choropūko was a Mega Monty Mole but in reality she is a big Monty Mole since Mega Monty Mole is just a singular character in Mario Party who is a boss (this was a leftover from Super Mario Wiki since they incorrectly treated the name Mega Monty Mole as the true name for big Monty Mole, but in-reality Mega Monty Mole is just a separate enlarged Monty Mole with no associations with big Monty Moles besides being Monty Moles of course). Also, any confirmed news on if Monty Mole appears in Sparks of Hope (since there are reviews of the game now)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:07, October 19, 2022 (UTC)
You did good with the rewrite. Also, I have not kept track of that. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:09, October 19, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, mind checking sometime? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:43, October 19, 2022 (UTC)

Any reason you want me to check specifically? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:46, October 19, 2022 (UTC)

Because I am curious if there are any leaks for the game that confirm Monty Mole will be in it (especially since some reviews of the game came out). Are you cool with doing that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:55, October 19, 2022 (UTC)
I don't feel up for it personally, as this anyone can take a look for themselves to see if it's the case. In any case. we'll find out sooner or later Bawitdaba (talk) 01:00, October 19, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah fair, I understand don’t worry. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, October 19, 2022 (UTC)
So, anything I should do right now? Also, like my Mischievous Mole image I uploaded? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:25, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
I'd clarify what that image is as others might get confused (as with no caption on the article). Other than that the quality is decent Bawitdaba (talk) 17:37, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, anything else important that should be done right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:40, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
No Bawitdaba (talk) 17:40, October 20, 2022 (UTC)


Man I wish there was more actually interesting Mario stuff that happened this year, you agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:57, October 20, 2022 (UTC)

For sure. I'm not really hyped over the Mario film personally Bawitdaba (talk) 17:59, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah same, everyone is talking about how great the teaser trailer is, but it was honestly a horrible trailer. It showed literally nothing about the movie besides the celebrity voices of the main cast and it barely shown any species at all. I don’t think the movie will be bad, but that first trailer was extremely terrible you agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:10, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the movie will be that great personally. In fact, they already want to do more films if it proves successful. What I'm saying is that their current focus on films is possibly why we did not get much aside from Mario Kart Tour (and Booster Course) this year (not to mention MS: Battle League & Sparks of Hope). Bawitdaba (talk) 18:13, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that sounds concerning (especially since I am not really big of a fan on the spinoff movies they did think of). I am concerned that they are trying to do what Sonic did and make like a bunch of movies and not really focus on the games as much. I am hoping that we can still get good Mario games and not garbage stuff like Mario Strikers: Battle League. Also, what is your opinion on the Mario movie trailer since I already said how I disliked it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:51, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
These are also my concerns. I also don't like the trailer because I feel the Mario franchise is trying to be something it's not (like the trailer reminds me of your average 2010s kids film). Bawitdaba (talk) 18:53, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
So basically throwing all the interesting stuff from the Mario series like the unique species out of the window just to show only the main cast and their celebrity voice actors while also having bad humor? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:55, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, and Jack Black actually said in the Nintendo Direct that it will leave a "mark on the Mario fandom forever." Gives me chills personally Bawitdaba (talk) 18:57, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
So is it implying that it will ruin the Mario series and have it more focused on making garbage movies? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:03, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Seems like Jack Black more suggested a new direction for the Mario franchise, so you might not be wrong. Hopefully it does not ruin it. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:05, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
How come Nintendo has not announced the next main series Mario game yet? Also, does this mean Nintendo might put all their eggs into the movies and not care about the games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:24, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
To answer both questions: I'm not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 19:59, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Mind finishing the RPG stats right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:02, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
No, I'm currently preoccupied -- I actually got Crafted World just now, so i'm going to play a bit of that Bawitdaba (talk) 20:04, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool, will you take the Monty Mole screenshots once you get to the levels they appear in? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:23, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Yea should be the plan Bawitdaba (talk) 23:28, October 20, 2022 (UTC)
Cool! How far are you in the game? Also remember that Hoop-Jump Hop has cardboard Monty Moles in the background. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:08, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
I'm busy customizing the site rn, so I'm yet to get to it (perhaps I play a bit after dinner). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:10, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok. What do you think was the worst Mario related thing to happen this year? I would personally say Mario Strikers: Battle League cause it was a soulless cashgrab that removed everything good from the Strikers series, adding nothing new, was extremely generic, had a horrible character roster, every map being the exact same, and having absolutely no content or replay value whatsoever. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:14, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
For me, it's the Mario film trailer Bawitdaba (talk) 00:15, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that trailer is awful, but is it cool if you explain every reason why you hate that trailer because I do like hearing what other people have to say? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:19, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
I'd rather not, idk I just don't want to think about it & I've discussed some of it with you earlier Bawitdaba (talk) 00:22, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
I made a Yoshipedia page for both Big Montgomery and Monty Mole Patch (which I literally just took the pages of them from their main wiki and just put it in Yoshipedia). Mind making some tweaks to the Yoshipedia versions of the pages so they are more unique? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:31, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Add to PipeProject so we can remember for later (i.e. I could possibly do so). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:32, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will, but are you still cool with doing a rant on the Mario movie trailer? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:34, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
The specifics I've already said no to, prob bcuz it just bad vibes in general. it not so much Mario's voice (that ppl are mostly unsatisfied with) as that I've cited how the teaser feels like a regular 2010s kids film trailer, which is the Mario franchise trying to be something that it's not (if that adds to any original opinion). 00:36, October 21, 2022 (UTC)

Yoshi's Crafted World

Also are you cool with one of the Yoshi’s Crafted World screenshots is a gold high quality cropped screenshot of a big Monty Mole (both normal and red)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:37, October 21, 2022 (UTC)

Add to PipeProject list & cite where they can be found (just so I know where to be on lookout for). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:38, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Mind if I tell you the level appearances right here and then you go copy and paste them into the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:41, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 00:42, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
So normal and big Monty Moles appear in the levels Spring Sprung Trail, Monty-Mole-B-Gone, Haunted Maker Mansion, and The Countdown Begins. Cardboard Monty Moles appear in the background of Hoop-Jump Hop. And a weird springy looking Monty Mole appears in the world map for Origami Gardens. Also, can you add the request for a good high quality screenshot of just a big Monty Mole (both normal and red)? Also would that weird springy Monty Mole in Origami Gardens be an origami Monty Mole or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:48, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure, as I haven't played yet, but I think Origami King is more where the exclusive found Bawitdaba (talk) 00:52, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
So do you think the weird springy looking Monty Mole isn’t meant to be origami? Also, liked what I did with the list? Also do you mind telling me every reasons of why despise the Mario movie trailer so much since I am still curious and I also agree the trailer sucks to? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:54, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Tbh I already listed my reasons. I will admit I liked the end where Luigi ran from the Dry Bones. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:55, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, I was wondering what the worst thing about the trailer was for you? Also m6 previous two questions? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:56, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah the list is ok & my least favorite part of trailer was that it feels little different from the typical 2010s kids film & therefore is trying to be something that it's not. Compare with the early 1990s DiC cartoons, which I felt did a better job at replicating the vibe of the Mario franchise. Also, the "springy Monty Mole" -- I haven't seen it yet because not played the game, but I can properly assume that it's not the same one as an origami one in PM: The Origami King. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:12, October 21, 2022 (UTC)
Hi, any news lately? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:18, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
I still need to play more of the game -- just been doing other wiki stuff (and I assume the translations have kept you busy for a while). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:21, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah true, I have a dark theory that has to do with the BJ Monty Mole 4koma strip. Mind if I explain it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:27, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
Ok Bawitdaba (talk) 22:27, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
So that cursed BJ Monty Mole 4koma strip got me thinking about Monty Mole’s behavior in the original Super Mario Kart. In that game, the Monty Moles attached to the player’s face and the player has to get the Monty Mole off their face as it like steals their coins. I was thinking if that was meant to be the Monty Mole getting a Bj from the player character like that 4koma strip? But in other manga based on Super Mario Kart, Monty Moles just long cling on the character with their claws in like a more family friendly way and in later Mario Kart games, Monty Moles just spin out the player when they hit them. What do you think about it? Was it intentionally a bj or was that one 4koma strip just a dirty exception and it wasn’t meant to be a bj? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:34, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
Pretty sure you're seeing too much into this -- Mario mangas are know to have explicit content within them. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:35, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
Oh so it was likely just a dirty joke that only happened that one time in that one 4koma? Also, what is the most dirty Mario manga moment since I don’t really see many dirty Mario manga stuff besides a few of the 4koma strips? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:39, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
I think one had Mario's genitalia exposed Bawitdaba (talk) 22:42, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
I think that was like one of the volumes in KC Mario. I know this is off topic but do you know how horrible and disgusting the Dangorampa series is (cause it has a lot of s*xual stuff being done to minors onscreen and I don’t even know if I am allowed to describe it here cause it is that horrid and vile). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:48, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
Also do you mind revamping the Swooper page someday and also finishing the rpg stats cause Rocky Wrench? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:53, October 22, 2022 (UTC)
I've heard Dangorampa & know nothing about it (nor am I interested in it). And yeah could possibly finish those all up some time. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:57, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah stay away from Dangorampa it is really bad and contains a lot of horrible stuff done to minors. Also, thanks for helping out and is there anything new going on lately? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:35, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
No prob, and not really anything new Bawitdaba (talk) 10:48, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Oh I have another suggestion, mind deleting the Chicko redirects that Monty Tank has? Also, will you get to the Rocky Wrench RPG stats and Swooper page revamp soon? Also, I loved how you tried restoring all the stuff Super Mario Wiki deleted in the main cast character pages. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:05, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Chicko redirects? Post links please? Also, yeah just don't rush me (I have not forgotten). Also, thank you -- it's important info. :) Bawitdaba (talk) 17:06, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Sorry if it seems like I was being a bit like to rush you, anyways the links to the Chicko redirects are Chicko, Chicko'd, Chicko-d, and Chicko d. For some reason these are redirects for Monty Tank so that is why I wanted them deleted cause it isn’t an official name. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:14, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
I'd keep them -- they're just redirects, after all, and no harm in having unofficial names as redirects Bawitdaba (talk) 17:15, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, but I never seen anyone call Monty Tank by that name. Also, if you don’t mind me asking, how do I delete pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:25, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
You have to be an admin to do that Bawitdaba (talk) 17:25, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Anything you want me to do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:21, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
You could possibly work more on the manga info for Monty-related species, I think. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:23, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Well I can really only do that once I get translation help so anything else? Also how is your progress in Yoshi’s Crafted World been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:58, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
I still need to play more of it. Perhaps tonight, as I'm seeing a friend in an hour Bawitdaba (talk) 20:10, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, also liked my Monty Mole auctioneer page revamp? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:15, October 23, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, always nice to see info expanded upon :) Bawitdaba (talk) 20:17, October 23, 2022 (UTC)

Monty species

What Monty Mole species page/section should I rewrite next? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:33, October 23, 2022 (UTC)

No opinion Bawitdaba (talk) 00:33, October 24, 2022 (UTC)
I saw a Twitter post saying the moles in Mario & Rabbids: Sparks of Hope are a Monty Mole variant. Do you mind checking if this is true or false? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:12, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
I don't have the game yet, so no. We'll find out sooner or later (also sry for delays wit Yoshi Crafted World). I hope it's a variant Bawitdaba (talk) 22:32, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Are you cool with checking a longplay of Sparks of Hope to see if Monty Mole is in it or if the moles in that game are confirmed to be a variant? Also I am not mad with the Yoshi’s Crafted World delays and you did a good job with listing the level appearances (I don’t think you missed any). Also quick question, are you good with screenshots from GBA emulators? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:42, October 25, 2022 (UTC)

Mario Pinball Land

Yeah I can do GBA screenshots, why? Also, I'd prefer to play through game myself, if I were to check. Like I said, we'll find out sooner or later if it is a relative (I understand the excitement over a possible new Monty Mole variant). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:43, October 25, 2022 (UTC)

I was thinking of making Mario Pinball Land location pages (since the ones on the Super Mario Wiki are really barebones) and I think the cannon shooting thing that is shown prior to entering a level could be good for the infobox. What do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:54, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Sure -- there is a lack of info there. I remember adding a Gameplay section to the Mario Pinball Land article there even. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:57, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, which level should have a page first? Also, you cool with making the pages (I can add extra info later)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:06, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I can do that. Should Mario Pinball Land in general have a PipeProject? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:07, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah sure, also should I just first copy and paste the Super Mario Wiki page for the levels or should we make them from the ground up? Also, my question on which level should have a page first? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:10, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
You decide. Also, I'd start with the first stage and work from there. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:11, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Grassy Greens is the first stage I believe so yeah. I will copy and paste the Mario Pinball Land page from the Super Mario Wiki and you can start the Grassy Greens page, sound cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:17, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah -- also, check the PipeProject page I made (if you want to sign up for it and even contribute some of your own to-do's on the list). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:17, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Also, isn’t Mario Pinball Land the only non-Rare made Mario game to be devolved in the UK? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:19, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
I actually was not aware it was developed in the UK (for some reason). Yeah, it is the only other one aside from the Donkey Kong Country trilogy, at least for Game Boy Advance, but I'm not sure if it's overall Bawitdaba (talk) 23:22, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I found that fact on complete accident. The Mario Strikers series and later Luigi’s Mansion games were developed in Canada which I didn’t know about until also finding it on accident. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:29, October 25, 2022 (UTC)
What do you think of this Morty Wrench think the official Nintendo of America website said: Should I make it a trivia point on the Morty Mole and Rocky Wrench page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:51, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, go ahead and do that Bawitdaba (talk) 22:00, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, what do you think about the Morty Wrench thing? Also, mind adding an infobox for the Grassy Greens Stage? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:18, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
I think it's weird. And yes, I can go add one. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:19, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
The infobox looks gold but are you cool with the main image for the infobox being Grassy Greens from when the player is in the cannon? Also, can other levels have their main icon be what they look like in the world map? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:34, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Yes for icons -- though I don't know you want it for while Mario is in the cannon, as the pinball portion seem make more sense. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:36, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
I just think it is a good icon to show the level (like the world map icons in Super Mario 3D Land). You understand? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:43, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I do understand. I suppose that's a good point, although we'll prob have to either rip the background graphic or reuse from The Spriters Resource (as the black display feels off-putting for an infobox image). Is Mario Pinball Land a game that you like to play (just wondering as you seem to have a particular interest in it). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:45, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I like Mario Pinball Land, it is a pretty underrated game. Sure the physics are weird and it is short, but it has a lot of cool and interesting ideas and was such a unique idea for the Mario series that was never done since (which it would have been cool to see a sequel to this game). I find it funny how Mario Pinball Land was only developed in a year, yet it is still more creative and interesting then some Mario games that are really bad. I also really like the cool Monty Mole costumes that the game gave as well. Also the canon screenshot can be an image in the gallery if that is ok with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:52, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
It's cool how it reuses Super Mario Sunshine sound effects. One other thing to note is that the cannon map image is a single background layer. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:02, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the image uploads, though are you cool with uploading images for every area in the levek (like the beehive and the part with Monty Mole)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:45, October 26, 2022 (UTC)
When/if I get to that. Add to PipeProject for meantime. And no prob, glad I could help Bawitdaba (talk) 00:00, October 27, 2022 (UTC)

Sega Wiki

Can the SEGA wiki make the Sonic enemy pages like how this wiki and the Mario Wiki make enemy/boss pages? Also, can you make an episode gallery for Dr. Eggman’s Tomato Sauce on the SEGA wiki? The images can easily be found on the Polish Sonic wiki of all things, take a look: Also, do you have an enemy/boss/chaarcter/species infobox for the SEGA wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:24, October 27, 2022 (UTC)

For sure it can -- it's set up in that format. And no, I won't make any episode gallery (at least not with like 200 or so images), as it could risk a violation of fair dealing (being a Miraheze wiki, Mariopedia is hosted in UK, which uses fair dealing, but adding episode galleries, at least without captions, i think would violate that because then it's taking random frames without captioning them). Yes I do have those on the Sega wiki (Character infobox for chars/bosses & species for species/enemies). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:19, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, mind linking the infobox templates? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:59, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Char infobox & species infobox Bawitdaba (talk) 22:10, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
What do you think of this page I made? Mind helping add more images and rewriting some sections? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:53, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Also would the Eggman’s Tomato Sauce cans be badniks or no? They are robots created by Eggman but I am not sure if they are meant to be badniks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:58, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
I would not list them as such until there's confirmation. Just because it a robot doesn't mean it a Badnik (even if it may often appear to be the case) Bawitdaba (talk) 22:59, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Should there be a category for robots created by Eggman that aren’t badniks? Also, any badniks that are confirmed to be related to Madmole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:01, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that can have a category. Also, I'm unsure (truth be told, I know a lot more about Mario than Sonic & it stuff like Mario & Sonic series, ATGames handhelds, history of Sega becoming 3rd party, etc that inspired me to make the wiki). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:07, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
Anything new going on lately? Also, should I work on the SEGA wiki right now? Oh also, mind helping with the Madmole images and you made some errors on the group infobox. I just wanted to mention that. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:46, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
Sure -- and I'm back to playing Yoshi's Crafted World a bit. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:54, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
Ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:56, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
Anything I should do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:49, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
Nothing comes to mind Bawitdaba (talk) 13:24, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, how is Yoshi’s Crafted World been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:30, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
All good, don't worry about it Bawitdaba (talk) 16:30, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
Mind making a Sega Wiki template? Also, how is the Yoshi’s Crafted World progress been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:36, October 30, 2022 (UTC)
Been busy wit wiki stuff, so it been a bit slow lately. Also, I think this would work better as the template is for miniwikis in particular: {{Miraheze wikis}} Bawitdaba (talk) 15:40, October 30, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, also my question I said on the SEGA wiki in my talk page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:47, October 30, 2022 (UTC)
I replied Bawitdaba (talk) 16:05, October 30, 2022 (UTC)
Mind uploading an image of AKG48 from the first chapter of volume 46 in Super Mario-kun? Also, do you have a group infobox I could use to make a page for it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:27, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
Which page number? Also, there is one here. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:32, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
Page 10, also thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:38, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
You're welcome Bawitdaba (talk) 22:39, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
Here's the AKG48Media:AKG48.png. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:44, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:16, October 31, 2022 (UTC)
Mind helping expand the AKG48 page? The most prominent parts that have AKG48 are the first and fourth chapters of Super Mario-kun. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:37, November 1, 2022 (UTC)
That's out of my field of expertise (I think I've told you before that I'm not as clued up on manga-related stuff) Bawitdaba (talk) 00:19, November 2, 2022 (UTC)

Mario Pinball Land / Yoshi's Crafted World

Oh ok, wanna continue the Mario Pinball Land pages (and also finish having the gallery for the Grassy Greens Stage to have all the areas in the level)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:25, November 2, 2022 (UTC)

Yea perhaps I could Bawitdaba (talk) 00:25, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Oh cool thanks. But first, mind making a Rocky Wrench page for Yoshipedia? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:35, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Forgot to say this, but yes I did make one earlier Bawitdaba (talk) 11:49, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I saw. So, do you want to do the Mario Pinball Land or Yoshi’s Crafted World stuff first? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:40, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Probably the Mario Pinball Land content Bawitdaba (talk) 21:45, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:58, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
I am still playing through Yoshi's Crafted World Bawitdaba (talk) 21:58, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, also are you good with 3Ds screenshots cause I had an idea. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:04, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
I haven't had enough practice with that, although I have taken Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS screenshots before Bawitdaba (talk) 22:05, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
I was thinking that if we make pages for the Super Mario 3D Land worlds, can you use a screenshot for what it looks like on the bottom screen for the main picture of that world (you can use a 100% save file if that helps), while the levels have their main screenshot being what they look like on the world map (like what I did for the World 5-4 page)? Also, do you mind revamping the airship page since it is missing several appearances? Also, you agree a lot of the airship appearances listed in the Super Mario Wiki are incorrect (like the Donkey Kong series appearances) as it was likely just separate ships? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:12, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
I am not skilled in using Citra or any 3DS emulator -- the best I can do is retrieve screencaps from YouTube (unless there's 3DS software that allows JPG captures from HOME Menu). Also yes, the airships are separate for sure. On the other hand, the tanks in Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze are proven from concept art to be reused from Super Mario Bros. 3 (though just make a cameo in a single level).
There's the main Mario franchise and then there's the overarching Mario franchise. The main Mario franchise has Super Mario series, Mario Kart series, etc. while the overarching Mario franchise also takes into account the Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong franchises, which tend to have identically named subjects but of their own (e.g. Ropes in the Donkey Kong franchise are different from those in the Mario franchise). Sometimes can boil down to individual series, such as Coins and Keys being different subjects in Luigi's Mansion series than in the Mario franchise. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:21, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Can this help with 3Ds screenshots? Also, isn’t the Yoshi series still closely related to the Mario series, as plenty of enemy species from the Mario series (like Monty Moles) appear like they do in the Mario series? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:31, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
For now, all I can do with 3DS screenshots is source from YouTube. The Yoshi franchise is within the Mario franchise, yes -- it's a spinoff franchise of the Mario franchise within the Mario franchise. :P Bawitdaba (talk) 22:34, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, can you still do that later? But is it ok if we do the Mario Pinball Land stuff first? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:41, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I already said I wanted to do Pinball Land first in any case. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:10, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, so are you going to finish the Grassy Greens screenshots and also expand the pages to talk more about each specific room? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:28, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
I thought I was done taking Grassy Greens screenshots Bawitdaba (talk) 23:30, November 2, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for making the pages, do you mind if you add the screenshots and stuff now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:07, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Provide specifics on the PipeProject page please Bawitdaba (talk) 01:08, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, also two quick questions. So are the boss rematches in the Fiery Stage the exact same as the original battles (like the same enemies and stuff)? Also, is the 1-up Mole in the Frosty Frontier stage killed if the player hits it enough times (excluding the star)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:25, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I actually don't know the answer to that, as I don't own a copy of that game nor have I gotten that far in my VisualBoyAdvance playthrough. Perhaps look at a playthrough? Last I looked, one on YouTube is about one & a half hours long. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:29, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, also liked what I did for the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:35, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Yes Bawitdaba (talk) 01:40, November 3, 2022 (UTC)

I saw the Crafted World screenshots and they are cool, do you mind getting screenshots of Spring Sprung Trail to since that level also has Monty Moles? Also, mind getting like a good cropped screenshot of a big Monty Mole that can be used for the infobox? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:55, November 3, 2022 (UTC)

Dang you not asleep yet, I thought I was going to surprise you :P I actually ended at Monty-Mole-B-Gone, but yes I took some Spring Sprung Trail screenshots as well Bawitdaba (talk) 03:56, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
So like a good amount of screenshots for both levels and the Monty Moles and big Monty Moles in them? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:59, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 04:00, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, do you mind if the infobox image for the levels in Yoshi’s Crafted World are Yoshi on the level in the world map (like what I did for the World 5-4 (Super Mario 3D Land) page)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:08, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I suppose, though I would've preferred a representative graphic of what occurs within the level itself though Bawitdaba (talk) 04:10, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I personally like the way the world map icons look for the levels, since it feels like the main icon for the level, while the level screenshots are more good for like the gallery and other parts of the page. I think it mostly goes good with games that have a world map, if that makes sense to you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:14, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, well I added the MM-B-Gone world map image Bawitdaba (talk) 04:15, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah it looks nice, also should we have a category for autoscrolling levels? Oh and also, you got screenshots for the flip side to right? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:17, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
For sure, we can have that as a category. Also, I haven't gotten flip side screenshots for the Origami Gardens levels yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:18, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, you cool with getting those flip side screenshots soon? Also, is there a canon explanation on why Origami Gardens is made up of comically large gardening stuff and a really large fence in the background as well (it looks kind of like Pikmin)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:22, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I don't believe so -- I think it's just the art style for the game. And yeah I can do that soon Bawitdaba (talk) 04:24, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that makes sense. Also, you cool with also getting a screenshot of the winged clock challenge prior to the big Monty Mole getting hit with an egg (and maybe the two other Monty Moles as well)? Also, do you mind making the Spring Sprung Trail page use the world map icon like the Monty-Mole-B-Gone page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:26, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Done and done Bawitdaba (talk) 04:34, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Hey, some of the images are not loading (like on the Origami Gardens level pages). Can you please help fix this glitch? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:57, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
It's probably because the file storage has been migrated -- that's the "glitch" -- you'll see this big orange notice motifying. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:32, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Are you cool with trying to fix the glitch? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:39, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I've contacted Miraheze about it here. It's just files missing from transfer, and it's possibly because those are some of the more recent files & were added while the transfer took place. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:41, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
So will you try to reupload those missing files? Also, mind if you make a gallery for the Spring Sprung Trail and Monty-Mole-B-Gone pages with more screenshots? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:43, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Miraheze staff should hopefully get the files ported over now that I notified them about it. If the images are confirmed lost, I'll readd them Bawitdaba (talk) 22:46, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok cool, anyways, are you going to do more of the Yoshi’s Crafted World level screenshots once the whole file problem is fixed? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:56, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
What I already uploaded should be enough for the time being. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:57, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah fair, should we work on expanding the Mario Pinball Land level galleries, I did mention all the specifics in the PipeProject so no need to worry. Oh also, mind listing several reasons on why it is bad to use Discord? Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:08, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
No, I really don't want to discuss Discord. All you should know is that if you're not one of them, you don't last for long. Yeah we could get to those images soon. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:10, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, anyways, I am excited to see the images for Mario Pinball Land. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:20, November 3, 2022 (UTC)
I had an idea, wanna make a subpage for a list of Monty Mole quotes, since we have a quotes section for Rocky Wrench (you can use the Super Mario Wiki and YouTube videos to help)? I can expand the quote section for Rocky Wrench to. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:33, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Also, can you make a page for Autoscrolling levels? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
I don't know of any quotes from Monty Moles aside from those rodent-like sounds that they make, so I'll leave you to try that. Perhaps I could make a page on autoscrolling levels, though I thought we were beginning with categories? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:03, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah we can make a category first. Also, I can add quotes to, but I just want you to get started as well. If not, that is fine. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:42, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
What accent are the regular Rocky Wrenches in Origami King meant to be having? I have the quotes for them in the Rocky Wrench page if you want to check for yourself. I think maybe either Country or Canadian, but I want to hear what you think. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:46, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Canadian because of the stereotypical "eh" within their quotes. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:30, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. Do you like the improvements I made to the Rocky Wrench general information section? Also, how has the Mario Pinball Land screenshots been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:07, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Yes and I've not gotten to more of it yet Bawitdaba (talk) 23:59, November 4, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, will you get to it soon? Also why did they make Rocky Wrenches become Canadian in Origami King? Nothing wrong with it of course, it is just kind of interesting. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:16, November 5, 2022 (UTC)
Canadian accent doesn't mean that they're Canadian necessarily. i don't know when I'll get to the Mario Pinball Land screenshots, but hopefully soon Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, November 5, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I hope so to. Also, what I meant was like why Origami King gave Rocky Wrench a Canadian accent, not them being Canadian. Oh also, do you like the Mario Portal page that HM Fan made? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:20, November 5, 2022 (UTC)
I stated on the Mario Portal talk page that I'm not invested in the whole Mario Portal as a naming source, so I don't have an opinion. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:23, November 5, 2022 (UTC)

So how has the Mario Pinball Land stuff been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:23, November 6, 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I had a migraine for most of today & need to take it easy. I haven't really made progress Bawitdaba (talk) 00:24, November 6, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:47, November 6, 2022 (UTC)
You cool with helping add more 3D Land images for the 3D Land page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:05, November 7, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah me or someone else need to get to that soon (hence why I added the construction tag). Bawitdaba (talk) 03:15, November 7, 2022 (UTC)
Also, is this reliable confirmation that John Stocker voiced Monty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:14, November 8, 2022 (UTC)
Sure Bawitdaba (talk) 03:36, November 8, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will ask HM Fan to and see what he thinks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:06, November 8, 2022 (UTC)
Good idea Bawitdaba (talk) 04:07, November 8, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, mind getting a screenshot of the chairs in Super Mario 64 DS, since there are no screenshots of the chairs as they appear in that game (since I am going to make a page for the chair right now)? Oh and are you going to help with getting more level screenshots for Mario Pinball Land? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:19, November 9, 2022 (UTC)
For Mario Pinball Land, I am probably going to source them from a YouTube longplay for now because I want to play a bit more of the game for fun first. And yes I can capture a Chair screenshot for you, one sec. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:59, November 9, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I am fine with waiting on the Mario Pinball Land screenshots, though are you cool with getting the Sky Cannon screenshots like with Grassy Greens? Also, thanks for getting a Chair screenshot from Super Mario 64 DS for me. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:19, November 9, 2022 (UTC)
Yes on Sky Cannon (I can load up to get those screencaps too) and you're welcome Bawitdaba (talk) 23:21, November 9, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the screenshots. Also, mind telling me what the difference between variants and sub-species is and examples of the term sub-species being used in the wrong context? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:09, November 10, 2022 (UTC)
Variants is the same thing as sub-species, it's just that (at least with me) we prefer using the former word "variants". Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, November 10, 2022 (UTC)
A log of images have been going missing recently (like in the Monty Mole gallery), is this a glitch or something? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:24, November 10, 2022 (UTC)
It's the ongoing file migration. We've talked about this before. They estimate the Miraheze file migration would take about a month or so. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:20, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
Like my recent Mega Mole edit and my addition to the Another Language and Conjecture templates? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:22, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
Indifferent to the Another lang & Conjecture since I have different opinions on Mario Portal, but yes for the Mega Mole (though is it necessary to add references that they're Monty Moles)? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:25, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
I don’t see how you can find Mario Portal reliable, but that is just my opinion. Also for the Mega Mole question, I thought it was needed since Mega Moles seem like a unique Monty Mole variant, but in actuality, they are just larger Monty Moles so I thought it was important to mention. Mega Moles are still unique large Monty Moles, but large Monty Moles nonetheless. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:56, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
What should we work on right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:29, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
Expanding info on Mario Pinball Land subjects, perhaps? Bawitdaba (talk) 20:31, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah sure, wanna help with that to? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:52, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
When I get chance yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 20:55, November 11, 2022 (UTC)
Why is there a section saying that fanon can be allowed, since it is too vague on what can be counted? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:04, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
It's within the Fanon: namespace, not mainspace Bawitdaba (talk) 19:06, November 12, 2022 (UTC)

Mario Kart 7

Oh ok, also mind helping get a screenshot of Monty Mole in Mario Kart 7? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:29, November 12, 2022 (UTC)

What in particular? Bawitdaba (talk) 19:34, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Like a Monty Mole in the audience, since there are no screenshots of Monty Moles in Mario Kart 7. Also, you agree Rocky Wrenches in that game reuse Monty Mole voice clips from Mario Kart Wii? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:19, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Also, what do you think of the Sonic series relationship with Mario? I think some early commercials, had references to Mario and a couple of the enemies do seem to be based on Mario enemies (like Madmole having a similar behavior to Rocky Wrench and one enemy literally being called Boo). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:57, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Sonic mole enemies -- coincidence until proven otherwise. Sonic is crossover (SSB/Mario & Sonic), not parallel like Zelda. I haven't paid attention to those voice clips, but yeah that would be interesting if that were the case. It would be hard to get an image of the MK7 audience I think. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:11, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Mind getting some screenshots of Monty Mole species in the GBA remakes for Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros. 3? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:36, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Add to the PipeProject list Bawitdaba (talk) 21:59, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Just did, should that page talking about the connections that other franchises have with Mario mention series that have major crossovers with the series (like Sonic and the Rabbids)? I was also thinking of maybe mentioning Kirby, since Spiny appears as a recurring enemy in the Kirby series, or is it not meant to be the Spiny from the Mario series? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:06, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah it probably should. And it is unusual but yes, those are Spinies from the Mario franchise in the Kirby titles, but that doesn't give it the "parallel" status of The Legend of Zelda. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:08, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
You cool with adding that info to the page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:23, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 22:24, November 12, 2022 (UTC)
Wanna make a page for Tower from Sonic Frontiers for the Sega Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:36, November 13, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe some other day, not right now Bawitdaba (talk) 14:18, November 13, 2022 (UTC)
Wanna make a page on all the kings in Super Mario Bros. 3 (like both a group page and a page for each individual king)? Also, can I share files so I can give you my Mario manga scans? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:09, November 14, 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps. Also what do you want me to use the scans for? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:45, November 14, 2022 (UTC)
To help expand other species pages with the information from the manga. I mainly focus on Monty Mole species so it would be helpful to have someone who can help with covering manga appearances of other species. And besides, I think it is nice to show parts of obscure Mario lore that most people do not know about. Oh and also, has there ever been a time where Nintendo flat out said something official wasn’t canon (besides the unreliable official sources like the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia and Mario Portal)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:30, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
Not to my knowledge. Also, I think I've told you that, for the most part, anime and manga is not a strong point of mine, so I probably won't be able to contribute much in that regard. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:43, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, I just want other people to enjoy these Mario manga to so that is why I asked if there was any way to distribute the files online? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:53, November 15, 2022 (UTC) Bawitdaba (talk) 01:49, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
I am uploading the Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater scans, but the progress bar keeps getting stuck. Hopefully it fixes soon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:05, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
You agree the North American French name for Rocky Wrench has likely no connection to SMG Monty? Yeah it is coincidentally SMG Monty’s Japanese name, but their Japanese name is just "Mogu" which is a very generic Japanese mole name. Oh and also, what do you think is the worst misconception of an unrelated species being related to another species (like the infamous Undergrunt misconception)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:46, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
I don't want to discuss naming, misconceptions, etc as I am not involved in the matter like you and HMfan are. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:05, November 15, 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering if you were cool with getting some screenshots of Monty Mole in Mario Golf: Advance Tour? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:32, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
Where specifically? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:33, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
The Monty Mole appears in Link’s Practice Center and I would like a screenshot of how they look in the overworld and what they look like when the player is about to do a shot (since the Monty Mole has a unique sprite when in that mode). You can watch this YouTube video if you want to understand what I mean (though the video is not for screenshots): MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:37, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
To save me time, what are the unique timestamps? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:38, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
6:44 MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:43, November 16, 2022 (UTC)

Cheatsy's Life

Do you have a song template, since I want to make a page for Cheatsy’s Life. Also, mind getting a good screenshot from Gopher Bash that perfectly represents the Cheatsy’s Life song? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:16, November 16, 2022 (UTC)

Would it help if you showed me from a YouTube video with an exact timestamp? Bawitdaba (talk) 02:37, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
Go to this video and take a screenshot from any part starting with 7:44 (though probably at the part where they are singing). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:25, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I've added a file here. As for infobox, yes there's one at {{song infobox}}. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:37, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for helping, I made the page now by the way. Do you mind doing some rewriting and fixing the categories for it? Also, can you get a screenshot of the Gopher from the timestamp 8:26? Also should songs use italics or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:18, November 16, 2022 (UTC)
Songs should be in quotes. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:22, November 16, 2022 (UTC)

Super Mario-kun

So how is the Super Mario-kun page been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:47, December 29, 2022 (UTC)

I've not begun it. I've been waiting for you to do it because I've said multiple times that I'm not an expert on the Mario manga Bawitdaba (talk) 01:59, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
I meant just copying the Super Mario-kun page from the Mario Wiki. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:05, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
ohh right, I could do that Bawitdaba (talk) 02:17, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:19, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
You're welcome -- it has construction tag (i added an infobox template, assuming that's one of the main things you wanted added). Bawitdaba (talk) 02:23, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
I made the Super Mario-kun volume 1 page, do you mind helping make a manga and chapter infobox (the manga one can be like the Super Mario Wiki one, but with an additional "based on" thing. As for the chapter one, I would like the infobox to have a "from," "based on," "preceding chapter," and "following chapter" thing (though with some extra help on making it look nicer))? Also mind helping add images for the volume 1 page (they are in the Mario Wiki)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:47, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
There is a template called {{comic infobox}} -- mangas are Japanese comics, so that's why I named comic infobox -- to consist of that broad definition of comic, both western and Japanese Bawitdaba (talk) 02:48, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:44, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Mind helping upload the Rocky Wrench Mii Racing Outfit images to the Rocky Wrench gallery (they are in the Mario Wiki)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:26, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Link please? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:53, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Mind with helping make a chapter infobox? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:38, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Like for book chapters? Bawitdaba (talk) 20:40, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, that is what I meant. I also wanted to have a 4koma infobox as well, since I think the strips could get their own pages. But I was wondering if you had any ideas on how to get people interested in Mario manga able to join the wiki and help those pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:02, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
No ideas. With a wiki people who are interested generally join over time as word of wiki gets out. What suggestions do you have for both chapter and 4koma infoboxes? make sure to not copy word-for-word from a book if we're doing chapter infoboxes Bawitdaba (talk) 21:04, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Like I said in a previous comment, I would like the chapter infobox to have a "from," "based on," "preceding chapter," and "following chapter" thing (though with some extra help on making it look nicer))? As for the 4koma one, it would be the same thing but with stuff like how many panels the strip has and the following and preceding strips as well. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:08, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for making those infoboxes for me, I am curious on what you think of the new page I created? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:32, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
You're welcome. Also I think you did really well with that article -- just remember that "series" is part of a franchise (see edit I just did). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:41, December 29, 2022 (UTC)
I made another Super Mario-kun chapter page and I am wondering what you think of it? Also, mind helping add the images for the two recent major edits I made (both are in the Mario Wiki)? Also, also, is it cool if you add or show me a way to have a "Reason:" thing for the inappropriate thing like how we have it for the rewrite-expand thing? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:42, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Ok. And yes, good work as usual Bawitdaba (talk) 12:51, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:43, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 15:46, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Also some of the chapter titles have two exclamation marks, but I can put them in the infobox. What do I do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:51, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
I added the reasons, but the contents of the inappropriate stuff are not showing up now so I am wondering if you could help fix that (as well as possibly rewriting some of the reasons as well)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:14, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
I can fix the template, sure, but I'm preoccupied with some other stuff at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 16:18, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Also sometime can you help add more sources for enemy page names? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:47, December 31, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 23:53, December 31, 2022 (UTC)


Any ideas for what I can do right now (cause I am running out of ideas)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:37, January 1, 2023 (UTC)

None at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 00:36, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
If you have any specific ideas, please let me know. Also liked what I did with the Presenter location revamp thing? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:17, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
Yea I do Bawitdaba (talk) 02:34, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:36, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
Should we start making pages for the years? Also what year should we start with (preferably a year 1988 onwards)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:08, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
You go ahead and do one. There's no rule on which to create first. If you want to make article on 1988, you could refer to here for inspiration on a style to use (not 1:1 -- just like if you want an idea on how to go about it). Bawitdaba (talk) 19:11, January 2, 2023 (UTC)
Has the Super Mario World show ever been on Netflix? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:28, January 3, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 04:30, January 3, 2023 (UTC)
How could we check if it ever was on Netflix? MontyMoleLoreMaster ([User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 04:41, January 3, 2023 (UTC)
Search on google perhaps? I'm not sure -- I'm assuming you're searching for Gopher Bash profile on Netflix. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:44, January 3, 2023 (UTC)
Are songs like Cheatsy's Life meant to be in Italics or "quotes?" MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:08, January 4, 2023 (UTC)
Quotes. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:44, January 4, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, thanks for letting me know. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:22, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Cool that you made a page for the Monty Mole Iceberg Getaway level, it gives me memories on my cool Monty Mole iceberg I named after that level because I thought it was a cool reason. Anyways, tomorrow is it cool if I make a page on Warrior Dad (since he is probably the second unseen Super Mario Maker 2 story mode character I know a decent amount on other then Mischievous Mole. Also, mind helping get an image of Warrior Dad’s name like how I did with Mischievous Mole (I can’t do it since I am running out of storage space)?), and also can we start more work on a List of Monty Mole quotes page? I did some work helping with quotes from other Monty Mole species and characters like Presenters and just recently Mischievous Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:47, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Also like the idea of having a History section for some Mario levels like the Super Mario Maker 2 Story Mode levels? I was sort of inspired by how it was done in Sonic News Network, check for yourself on the Monty Mole Iceberg Getaway page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:02, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Great edits, thank you! I figured you'd have some stuff to add to the article, which is why I ported it over. Yeah you may create a page on Warrior Dad, sure. As for Monty Mole quotes, that sounds like a good idea too, although I don't recall many myself. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:56, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool. Also, you mind if I add the Monty Bros. quotes first? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:02, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
I made the Warrior Dad page, what do you think? Also, mind helping replace some of the enemy rpg infobox stuff with the ones used for the Monty Mole species pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:21, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Good work on that article. I added the navtemp. Also, instead of tag, use the {{color}} template. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:45, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
As for enemy RPG infoboxes, which pages in particular? Bawitdaba (talk) 20:45, January 5, 2023 (UTC)
Basically any enemy you can think of that appeared in an rpg like Swooper and Piranha Plants, etc. A lot of original enemies from the RPG as well also have the outdated rpg stat infobox. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:41, January 5, 2023 (UTC)

Monty Mole screenshots

Wanna help get screenshots of Monty Mole species from the GBA remakes of Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros. 3? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:26, January 10, 2023 (UTC)

Add to the PipeProject and list specific levels you would like for me to look in. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:31, January 10, 2023 (UTC)
Good idea, I can do that soon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:37, January 10, 2023 (UTC)
Hey, mind helping port this page from the Super Mario Wiki, as well as the Origami King page if you have the chance? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 08:33, January 13, 2023 (UTC)
The Origami king page would take quite the effort. I was going to note that List of Super Mario Party stickers consists of only a couple of images, so that one shouldn't be too hard Bawitdaba (talk) 15:01, January 13, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:32, January 13, 2023 (UTC)
Do you mind helping fix the Mario Super Sluggers Monty Mole model image and the Super Mario Woord style winged Monty Mole image, since they have errors (and can you separate the bat and Monty Mole as two different images for the former as well)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:41, January 14, 2023 (UTC)
Oh yeah I see now -- I'll fix both. Bawitdaba (talk)
Should we have appearances in other media be labeled under an "Appearances in Other Media" thing, or should it just be left as is? Also what about pages on things that do not have much (like Morty Mole snd Ragumo for example)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:39, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
I don't have any hard rule on what gets "Appearances in other media" section and what does not -- I mainly only divide into own section if the subject has made several appearances aside from just in the video games. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:43, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
So is it mostly only for main characters like Mario? Also will you get to the GBA screenshots soon? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:48, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
Yes, and perhaps (Mario Pinball Land and Mario Golf: Advance Tour will be more difficult to do however). Bawitdaba (talk) 04:21, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair, also when you do Mario Pinball Land, can you take screenshots of every area in the game for the gallery? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:27, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
Like the stuff is listed in the PipeProject, so that doesn't entirely rule out it not happening. I could soon perhaps retrieve images of Mario Pinball Land from a YouTube video Bawitdaba (talk) 04:31, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
Also is this an official Monty Mole toy, and if so, mind uploading an image of it for this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:30, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
It's not possible for me to verify from that image alone. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:12, January 15, 2023 (UTC)
Also mind helping remove the unneeded space in the Mario Pinball Land Monty Mole sprites? Also the Frosty Frontier Monty Mole sprite also has a blue pixel that I think can be removed as well. Thanks for the help. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:20, January 16, 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing, and no prob Bawitdaba (talk) 22:20, January 16, 2023 (UTC)
Also mind helping upload images and creating a page for マリオのゲームコレクション21 (which according to Google translate, it translates to Super Mario Game Collection 21 or something)? Just Google that Japanese text because it is a really cool obscure Mario board game (which is based on both Super Mario World and Super Mario Kart) I think deserves a page (though some help would be appreciated like helping create the page). Interesting enough, this board game actually uses a very rare Monty Mole artwork which is very similar to the iconic Super Mario World artwork with them jumping out of the ground, however they do not have the sunglasses that artwork used. It might be an obscure artwork for Super Mario Kart but I am unsure. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:56, January 20, 2023 (UTC)
I have not heard of it, so you will need to create that page. I could possibly help with images though. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:21, January 20, 2023 (UTC)
What infobox do I use for board games like this? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:32, January 20, 2023 (UTC)
Just try {{game infobox}} for now Bawitdaba (talk) 23:49, January 20, 2023 (UTC)
Ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:10, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Come to think of it, the Fandom wiki does have a Merchandise infobox that could possibly be carried over to here. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:11, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. Also should I just use the name of this board game I found when using Google Translate? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:57, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah go ahead. Use the game infobox in the meantime, as perhaps for board games it would not matter whether a game or a merchandise infobox is used (I still need to create the latter as well). Bawitdaba (talk) 01:02, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Ok I will make the page later, but you cool with helping add extra info? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:11, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Well I would not know what to add, as I know nothing about this obscure board game that you discovered. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:12, January 21, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping upload images of various Monty Mole merchandise (you can find some by looking up "Jacks Pacific Monty Mole" which will likely help)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:54, January 25, 2023 (UTC)
I'll take a look Bawitdaba (talk) 22:59, January 25, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:20, January 25, 2023 (UTC)
No problem Bawitdaba (talk) 23:20, January 25, 2023 (UTC)
If you find other cool Monty Mole merchandise that can be uploaded, please let me know. Anything new going on with the Monty Mole species or not much? Also should we port over some Scrapnik pages to the SEGA wiki (I think we can start off with Dave and Chaz)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:24, January 25, 2023 (UTC)
Not much. And yeah we can probably do that soon Bawitdaba (talk) 23:26, January 25, 2023 (UTC)

Cardboard soccer game

Can you add images from this tweet please (and possibly make a page for it)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:48, January 26, 2023 (UTC)

I'd advise you to create page & perhaps I can retrieve the images for it. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:56, January 26, 2023 (UTC)
Good idea, could you upload the images first and then I will create the article? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:42, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
You'll upload? You meant create article, right? Also, yes, I will go right ahead and upload them then. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:45, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
I meant creating the article sorry. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:03, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
I don't know what to title the article though. I got the images uploaded for you Bawitdaba (talk) 01:05, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
I think it is meant to be called "Mario Stadium" (as that name can be seen in the sides of the soccer field). Also which infobox should I use? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:07, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
I've created the {{Merchandise infobox}} for you. Also, yeah that's a good point. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:35, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
Cool, anyways I will make the page later, so in the meantime, you cool with helping work more on the badnik pages (you could add more info to the Spinner page, as it is lacking info)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:45, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
Maybe some other time. I working on SSB stuff rn Bawitdaba (talk) 01:46, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
What do you think about the Mario Stadium page I created? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:01, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
It's good, but I'm going to move the article because there's several things named "Mario Stadium" (such as in sports games & spinoff titles). Bawitdaba (talk) 15:02, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
Anyways, what should we work on right now? Should we port the levels that Mischievous Mole made into this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:14, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
Go right ahead Bawitdaba (talk) 16:15, January 27, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping add these two images to the Monty Mole gallery? Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:43, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 12:20, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Also, could you help get Monty Mole and Mega Mole images for Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:16, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
I have not forgotten -- I'll get to that some other time. What is the best level that you recommend for me to retrieve images of those two from? Bawitdaba (talk) 13:18, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
For Monty Mole, probably either Yoshi’s Island 2 or Cookie Mountain (though if you want to get screenshots early, Yoshi’s Island 2 is a better pick). For Mega Mole, Valley of Bowser 1 is the best pick cause it has a lot of Mega Moles. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:53, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, I'll keep this in mind. Thank you Bawitdaba (talk) 17:55, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
No problem. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:58, January 28, 2023 (UTC)
Can you help upload this model as an image for this wiki, as well as making the gold Monty Mole in this image a transparent background? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:01, January 30, 2023 (UTC)
Sure, though I will need you to figure out where to put them (mainly golden Monty Mole, as the Mario Sunshine one would obviously go in Monty Mole gallery). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:30, January 31, 2023 (UTC)


Probably the gallery (since it isn’t the Golden Monty Moles from Mario Party 6). Also off-topic tangent, but could you make a Burrobot page for this wiki covering their appearance in Mario & Sonic at the Rio Olympic Games (you could get a screenshot from a YouTube video)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:13, January 31, 2023 (UTC)

Also what about the cannon model from Sunshine? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:14, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Sure. You can add those Monty Mole images to the gallery. As for the cannon model -- the turret was not properly attached to the cannon, so that's why I hadn't added it. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:15, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool, I just did that. Also my Burrobot question? Also, I am wondering what badniks appeared in the Mario & Sonic games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:20, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Yes I said I'm making the Burrobot page. As for Badniks, that would have to be a whole list compiled. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:25, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool, you cool with helping compile the list? Also should we make a badnik page for this wiki and have a list of all the badniks who crossover with the Mario series? Also what would we do with Sonic Lost World (since it had an official Yoshi crossover level)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:29, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Create articles for them. But I'm busy right now, so perhaps some other time. Would you like to make a PipeProject for, ironically, Sonic the Hedgehog content on this wiki? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:48, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Also for the Burrobot image, you can use this video around like the 16:50 mark. Anyways, did you like the trivia point I added and I am curious why we say the Badniks are a variant of badnik? Just wondering. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:49, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
As for the PipeProject, sure, but could you make a list of every badnik who had a crossover with the Mario franchise (like the Mario & Sonic games) so I know what pages have to be made? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:53, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
That will take a lot of time & it's something within your capability of doing. I can add a few to the list but I still expect you to invest some effort yourself Bawitdaba (talk) 01:56, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Ok, fair, but if I have trouble finding which games have badniks, mind helping with that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:02, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
We'll add as we go along, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 02:06, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Quick question, why is Badnik in the variant_of section? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:05, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
Because species_origin is for real-world Bawitdaba (talk) 15:25, January 31, 2023 (UTC)
There are some pages which incorrectly use species_origin instead of varaint_of, so could that be fixed sometime? Also, mind helping revamp the Swooper and Venus Fire Trap pages (for the latter, mainly the info it says about their appearances in the DIC cartoons and also a screenshot of a Venus Fire Trap in Gopher Bash)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:22, February 3, 2023 (UTC)
If so, they'll need to be fixed manually. species_origin is for real-world & variant_of is for in-universe. Yea perhaps I can do those Bawitdaba (talk) 00:43, February 3, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool. Also error on the fire plant image because the screenshot is stretched. I recommend taking a screenshot from this video instead. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:59, February 3, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah the vid I used was stretched Bawitdaba (talk) 01:01, February 3, 2023 (UTC)
Seemed like it. Anyways, I hope this helps. Also could you upload some Gopher Bash animation cel images from Google to this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:03, February 3, 2023 (UTC)

Monty Bros quotes

Mind helping get some Monty Bros. quotes from the Fawful Express portion of the game (from this video)? I could help with the lines exclusive to the 3Ds remake and the lines said in the battle if you are cool with that. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:58, February 4, 2023 (UTC)

I think I'm ok -- it's just something from a portion of the game, so it shouldn't be too hard to compile Bawitdaba (talk) 23:14, February 4, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. Wanna start making more badnik pages now? Also you agree the opening in Sonic Origins (for Sonic 1) is pretty disturbing? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:17, February 4, 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps later. Also, I have not seen Sonic Origins opening Bawitdaba (talk) 00:17, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Could you upload this and this image, but like downscale them since they are sprites (similar to what you did with the Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 sprites? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:47, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 15:02, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the Mario Undōkai sprites and screenshots, it is very much appreciated. Some minor requests though is could you cut out the Mega Mole sprite in Mario Undōkai and I was also thinking if you could help get the Mawful Mole and Monty Mole sprites from the giant battles in the original BIS by taking a YouTube video and downscaling it to the native resolution? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:04, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome. Also, if you find a good quality video and the timestamps, let me know & I'll be happy to take a look. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:49, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
I think this video is good for the Tower of Yikk and this video is good for the Fawful Express. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:52, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Any particular timestamps? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:53, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
No real particular timestamps, I mainly want the Mawful Mole sprite and the sprite of the Monty Bros. in their jetpack gear. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:57, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah sorry that's not crisp-clear quality, so it would result in low quality. If I ever get to it (considering the large backlog of wiki editing I still have to do), I'll get out my copy of BiS and play it up to Tower of Yikk, dump save file, then again for Fawful Express, dump save file, and try to work the magic in Desmume. Hope you're ok with that. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:05, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah good idea, I also think you should upload images of every Tower of Yikk and Fawful Express/Fawful Mountain attack as well for the pages. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:41, February 5, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, so my copy of M&LBIS is loaded up in my DSi XL. I'll let you know how I get through, if I take the time to do so. Mine has CFW, so I can dump cartridge saves & share them with you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bawitdaba (talkcontribs)
That is cool to hear, I wish there was more high quality screenshots for the 3ds remake though. Also is the Fawful Express sentient or not cause idk? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:12, February 6, 2023 (UTC)
I'm actually not sure -- perhaps the Player Guides might give implication if it is. Actually, I have CFW on both my 3DS XLs (old & new versions). Perhaps some day I can look into those for you as well -- or get a copy of the 3DS version somehow. Sorry if this has been taking so long for you -- I know the Bowser's Inside Story stuff has been something you waiting for for a long time. I dunno why I haven't really played the M&L games -- I actually remember Bowser's Inside Story being one of my favorites as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:16, February 6, 2023 (UTC)
Well that is cool to hear. Also I can do other stuff in the meantime so no worries on that. Also could you upload these early Fawful Express sprites I found on Tumbler? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:07, February 6, 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 13:15, February 6, 2023 (UTC)
Wanna help start a page for the drill that the Monty Bros. used? You can start making the page, but two things you need to know. First, the Drill I believe is just called "Drill" in-game, but a section in the Prima Guide does call it the "Drill Express" (though said section just refers to it as the Drill). Second, you can use info from the Monty Bros. or Underground Tunnel pages for help. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:56, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, though until I begin my playthrough, I may not have the best of idea on what to add. But yes, I'll quickly make it now. Bawitdaba (talk) 05:00, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Also if you can, could you see if there is any extra quotes for failing the Drill minigame in Underground Tunnel? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:37, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Are you unable to check? Bawitdaba (talk) 12:01, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
I tried looking, but every video I found usually passes the minigame first try. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:03, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
No no, I meant while playing the game. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:04, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
I don’t have the game on me right now, so I can’t play it to check that section (also since my 3ds broke). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:06, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Okay got it -- I just don't like to deliberately lose minigames but I'll check (or I can get up to the part with the Monty Bros, dump save file). I need to still play -- i just been busy Bawitdaba (talk) 17:40, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I think making a save file for that part of the game is a good idea. Also know any text dumps for BIS and Origami King (since I know the first four Paper Mario games and Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time have a text dump)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:43, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:45, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Ok, also I made a counter argument on what you said about the unreliable sources. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:59, February 7, 2023 (UTC)


Also wanna help update more enemy pages to include more info and fix some errors made (like wrong uses of things in the text boxes and add more appearances)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:29, February 7, 2023 (UTC)

I've been playing thru Bowser's Inside Story for a bit over an hour, so that been my focus. I actually don't think I've played through it since 2011 -- that's 12 years ago -- so it's nice to play through it again. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:48, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool, should I make a Badnik page for SNN right now (like one of the ones in Sonic Lost World)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:15, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Your choice Bawitdaba (talk) 22:51, February 7, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping split Mega Mechakoopa and Big Mechakoopa right now (you can just take the info from the Super Mario Wiki pages)? Oh, and can you add the image from this edit please? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:34, February 8, 2023 (UTC)
Sure Bawitdaba (talk) 03:14, February 8, 2023 (UTC)
Hey, any news on Monty Mole in the new Nintendo Direct? Also could you update the Mega Cheep Cheep page and the Cheep Cheep navbox? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:59, February 8, 2023 (UTC)
I have not seen the Nintendo Direct. What about it do you want me to update in particular? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:58, February 8, 2023 (UTC)
Adding extra appearances and rewriting some parts for the former example, and for the latter you should add the missing Cheep Cheep species like the Green Cheep Cheeps. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:11, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Also the name Sky Blooper was not originally from the Mario Portal and it was actually from the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia. With that knowledge, can we rename the page on the Nintendo Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:17, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Also, I've not forgotten about Bowser's Inside Story -- I'm just taking my time while playing through it but will ensure to save before Tower of Yikk & Fawful Express. And no, you may not rename the Sky Blooper page on Nintendo Wiki. I've talked to you about this before. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
As a reminder, it was the Super Mario Wiki who began the snowball of "citogenesis" in that they admitted responsibility for the SMB Encyclopedia reusing names from their wiki. A name in an official publication, even if it originated as unofficial, is better than having no English name for the subject, and an article notice can always be provided as necessary. Super Mario Wiki even did research on what names originated from their wiki, and that could be a trivia tidbit. Admittedly, I'm still not happy at you for renaming my Sky Blooper page here, but if you do it on a wiki that I run directly (like Nintendo Wiki), it will be reverted back. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:34, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Not to sound rude, but how come an illegitimate source that incorrectly called SMG Monty a Rocky Wrench is considered better for naming than an official Japanese name? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:41, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
That's an error -- it does not mean I'm going out of my way to call them Rocky Wrenches. If I were to do such an article, I'd cite as a trivia point. Strategy guides are higher naming priority than websites regardless, so I call them Montys. And even if "Rocky Wrench" were their name, I would still put into separate article (such as Rocky Wrench (Super Mario Galaxy) ), as that would show that it is another enemy that was named that in an English official source -- and the natural assumption from a reader would be that they are two different enemies, just somehow one was named Rocky Wrench in one website. The Prima guide makes it more evident that it was done as an error, but I am not in any way stating that they are Rocky Wrenches themselves.
Also, another thing: the reason I decide on wikis that I run directly (not Mariopedia) to use English names when doable is because these are English wikis. To one's surprise I don't actually believe in giving Japan-only subjects conjectural English names to show as a reflection that they are exclusive to Japanese media, although I would not be attempting to influence any publication by coming up with my own English-translated names. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:52, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I was just saying that the original Japanese names have a higher priority than something like the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia or Mario Portal. I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:00, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I do. It's been used to determine species relations at times. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:48, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it does. Also what do you think about Sworm having a similar Japanese name to Monty Mole? It is weird since they don’t look anything like Monty Mole (and Superstar Saga already had its own Monty Mole species with Presenter (and the 3DS remake just downright using Monty Moles instead)). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:15, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Not sure, but that does sound strange. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:16, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Unless official confirmation says that Sworms are related to Monty Mole, should we just consider them comparable for now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:23, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
They're clearly only comparable (Sworms aren't even moles -- they just appear from ground digging in), yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 03:25, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok. Also, do you know any other actual weird members of the Monty Mole species? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:31, February 9, 2023 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of Bawitdaba (talk) 03:33, February 9, 2023 (UTC)

Badniks in IDW comics

Quick question, how come when I talked about Zoomer doing a cool thing in the IDW comics, people started to make stupid inaccurate claims about the badniks and justify Sonic and his horrible friends terrible actions (see here)? Also, if you see any new Monty Mole species appearances, you mind trying to tell me as quickly as possible? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:55, February 10, 2023 (UTC)

Not sure & yes Bawitdaba (talk) 01:56, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for helping with the Monty Mole question. Also, do you think that the people on SNN have bias for the main cast characters (explaining the false claims they say about badniks)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:03, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
I don't know enough about Sonic News Network to comment on that. Sounds like one of the commenters was a bit rude to you. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:06, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah true (I was literally compared to Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks just because I made a post where a badnik (this case a Zoomer) actually gets a win). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:12, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Also, what do you think on what I said on NSMB Fan’s message wall recently (sorry if it came off as somewhat angry, as I was just frustrated with people doing this type of crap. Also I am glad that you are helping with the fandom Mario wiki, so while you are at it, mind updating the game appearances list for both the Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench pages using the list of appearances sections on this wiki)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:17, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
What do you want me to update on it in particular? Bawitdaba (talk) 14:44, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
I get why you were angry, don't worry Bawitdaba (talk) 14:49, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Just add more game appearances and organize them to be in-order of release date. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:35, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
To the Fandom wiki or this one? Bawitdaba (talk) 22:36, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
The fandom wiki. Also of that Zoomer post I made, which comment did you think was the worst? Also is it just me, or do those people just have an extreme bias for the main "hero" cast and when they see someone who hates the main "hero" cast, they think that they are weird and crazy? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:57, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not clued up on the situation, but the Boondocks comment was probably the worst from what I can remember. I actually have rarely seen this level of fanbase defending a main character before, so I'm not sure what their deal is. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:00, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that comment calling me Uncle Ruckus is probably the worst comment on that post (and for some reason that comment had a couple likes as well). Not only was that comment just demonizing the badniks (mainly saying they are mindless machines only to justify Sonic and nothing else) and justifying all of what the main cast does and sugar coating everything, but the additional rude comment did not help either. I know some of the people agree that the StC main """hero""" cast and the Forty Fathom Freedom Fighters are evil (which is good since those characters are genuinely horrendous serial killers), but the majority just defend Sonic and his friends and treat them as innocent angels. I read some of the IDW comics, and the main hero cast constantly treats destroying badniks like it is genuinely fun to do and have absolutely no remorse in doing so as to them they are just pawns for their sick twisted games. That is why I absolutely loathe the main Sonic cast because of all of that terrible stuff (and for someone that likes badniks like myself, I don’t get how bad it is to sympathize with your favorite characters and hate the main hero cast for constantly killing them and treating them nothing like objects for them to destroy because they love killing stuff). Sorry if I got angry there, I just had to vent my frustrations. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:11, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
It most certainly is messed up, that's a given Bawitdaba (talk) 23:14, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Which part of my reply is messed up (since some sections of that reply could be deemed as messed up)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:24, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
No no, I meant their defense of the sadistic actions of Sonic & Freedom Fighters destroying Badniks Bawitdaba (talk) 23:49, February 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I agree, and it is especially bad in the comics (which is ironic since my post was about the IDW comics). Also, that exact same issue (issue 57) had Sonic punting a baby Turtoid like a football the page right before the panel I showed on that post (not to mention how Tangle says that she wants to destroy badniks as well while destroying a Gekogeko earlier in the issue). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:12, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
Also if you want to see how bad these characters really are in that issue, here is a link to the issue so tell me what you think about it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:15, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
Also, what do you think of the later replies I got in my Zoomer post and how bad they are? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:21, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
I think it's a sign that you should perhaps move on from Sonic News Network Bawitdaba (talk) 12:38, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
The wiki itself is fine (besides the biased personality section on most of the badnik pages). My main issue are the posts with all the biased people on them. You think Crabmeat should be the main badnik I focus on for expanding their page on the SEGA wiki. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:47, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
As for Sega Wiki, again, it's your choice Bawitdaba (talk) 14:48, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, also is it ok if you help me make a Zoomer page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:52, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
How about you create it & I'll have a look over it Bawitdaba (talk) 14:53, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
Sure, but probably later. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:05, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
You agree that the personality section on most of the IDW badnik pages is just factually wrong and likely made because of bias? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:16, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
I don't know enough about it to give an informed response, but I'll trust your judgment on that. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:20, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
There was never really any confirmation on the badniks being non-sentient in the series, so that claim of the, being "mindless machines" is likely just bias or something. If you want, you cool with reading the first issue of IDW to prove that it didn’t say the badniks weren’t sentient? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:50, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
It's not worth debating people if it leads to more drama and/or if they won't listen. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:43, February 11, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. Is the "badniks being mindless machines" thing just like how the Super Mario Wiki made stupid reasons to justify dumb merges? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:19, February 12, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I can kind of see the connection Bawitdaba (talk) 02:38, February 12, 2023 (UTC)
What is your best guess on why Sonic News Network and Super Mario Wiki did this? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:37, February 12, 2023 (UTC)
Look idk. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:40, February 12, 2023 (UTC)

Monty Mole species

Mind helping with adding the Nintendo Wiki and Yoshipedia links for the Monty Mole species pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:01, February 15, 2023 (UTC)

If they have articles, yea Bawitdaba (talk) 04:21, February 15, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping expand the Mario Pinball Land pages like what the Mario Wiki did and adding the rest of the Woody Woods images? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:44, February 17, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, should be done now. In one edit summary I said I'm still working my way through my Bowser's Inside Story playthrough (5hrs in). Not at Monty Mole part yet. And yes, I do plan on sharing save files of the Tower of Yikk and Fawful Express moments when I get to there (possibly contribute to GameFAQs even). Bawitdaba (talk) 03:33, February 17, 2023 (UTC)
Thats cool to hear. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:02, February 17, 2023 (UTC)
Are you good at putting on different alternate textures for models? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:30, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Afraid not, sorry Bawitdaba (talk) 12:25, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Its fine, also mind helping uploading these extra Monty Mole and Mega Mole sprites I found here and here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:56, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Yea for sure I can help with that. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:57, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also I was wondering if you thought the mole on the cover of NES Open Tournament Golf was meant to be a Monty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:19, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Well we can't say for certain, as there's no confirmation, but it definitely looks like a small Monty Mole Bawitdaba (talk) 15:21, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I just wanted to make sure. Also could you upload the NES Open Tournament Golf Monty Mole artwork to this wiki and make a page for Tower of Yikk? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:45, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
The Monty Mole artwork for NES Open Tournament Golf was never officially a standalone one. Also, yes, I can do that Bawitdaba (talk) 16:46, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, it was likely someone that just cut it out. You could upload the raw cover art if you want. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:00, February 19, 2023 (UTC)
Also you agree it is incredibly dumb how the Mario Wiki is literally crediting the Mario Portal for enemies with Japanese names (like Ragumo) instead of their official Japanese names? I feel like the Mario Portal or the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia should ONLY be used if there are no other known official sources for an enemy name. Otherwise, any other official source (including other languages, mainly Japanese) should be much higher priority. You get what I mean? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:46, February 20, 2023 (UTC)
It shouldn't cite that -- it should just cite "these sources use the same name as the Japanese name" Bawitdaba (talk) 19:58, February 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, because it is implying that those Japanese enemy names originated from the Mario Portal, despite the Japanese enemy names being made way before the Mario Portal existed, and the Mario Portal just being flat out lazy with terrible naming for the enemies (like taking incorrect names from older revisions of the Super Mario Wiki) and calling them completely different species in some occasions. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:12, February 20, 2023 (UTC)
You agree the new Mario movie trailers are quite underwhelming and boring, especially the fake plumbing company one (I don’t mind if you disagree, I am just curious)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:10, February 23, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I haven't taken a real look at them in all honesty. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:13, February 23, 2023 (UTC)
Also can you help upload a screenshot of this video at 51:22 (one full screenshot, and one screenshot that is just the Monty Mole sprite)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:38, February 23, 2023 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 22:05, February 23, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, February 23, 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome Bawitdaba (talk) 23:24, February 23, 2023 (UTC)

The question of updates

Anything new lately? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:38, February 24, 2023 (UTC)

I'm still working hard on the Mario fandom wiki Bawitdaba (talk) 02:43, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
Should this be put as an other appearances for Monty Mole? Also is it good for an entry for the Monty Mole iceberg? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:44, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
It's unofficial parody , but maybe it can works its way in there somewhere Bawitdaba (talk) 17:27, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, how about you try to write a place to put that appearance on the Monty Mole page, and I can do some edits to it after. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:33, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
Also, mind porting this page to this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:51, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 22:52, February 24, 2023 (UTC)
Mind uploading an image of the Monty Moles in that Robot Chicken sketch? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:10, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
Okay I added it. I don't want to add the end scene of a "gopher" taking a human's head underground, so I settled upon a close-up from just before Bowser drives over them. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:22, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I am fine with that, since that scene showed more Gophers, and the last scene would probably be too inappropriate to show on this wiki (as it is pretty violent). Also, do you like the rewrite I did of the section? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:32, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I do, thank you for helping Bawitdaba (talk) 19:31, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
No problem, and thanks for helping out as well. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:38, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
Also this page on the Super Mario Wiki still incorrectly calls Presenter a Monty Mole (despite Presenters being a variant of Monty Mole and not just 100% exactly the same as them). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:59, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
I've heard you mention the Presenter / Monty Mole thing quite a bit. Also, in the original BiS, I got to the part (and saved before) where Bowser first interacts with the Monty Bros -- I copied between both game file 1 & 2 -- and hopefully soon I can get to the Tower of Yikk (i'm also aware you want me to see the dialogue for if bowser loses the minigame). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:59, February 25, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it would be cool if you can do that, oh and maybe have some extra screenshots of that portion of the game as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:04, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
Okay -- I'll have to run it in DeSmume rather than actual hardware (which I'm playing it on) if I were to accomplish that task) Bawitdaba (talk) 03:27, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
Alright, also is the Underground Tunnel ever referred to as just the Tunnel in BIS (cause the Super Mario Wiki calls it Tunnel)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:24, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
I haven't gone through the Monty mole part yet as i also wantto create a save preceding Tower of Yikk. is there no way for you to check? Bawitdaba (talk) 04:26, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
Also can you add the Rocky Wrench images from here? Also yeah, I can’t find any in-game name for the Underground Tunnel from what I seen. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:29, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
Added them. Not sure where you want those to go, so i suppose i can leave that up for you to decide Bawitdaba (talk) 04:40, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
I wanted them in the Rocky Wrench gallery by the way. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:39, February 26, 2023 (UTC)


How likely do you think it will be for a member of the Monty Mole species to appear in the upcoming trailer for the Super Mario Bros. Movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:30, February 27, 2023 (UTC)

Don't ask me (well, I suppose you just did :P). I have no idea Bawitdaba (talk) 16:58, February 27, 2023 (UTC)
I found someone on the Super Mario Wiki that owns the French Super Mario-kun translation, but they have been inactive since 2019. I sent an email to them just in-case, but if you can, do you mind trying to find people who have the other translations of Super Mario-kun (cause I am curious on the differences between the Japanese and French/Spanish versions)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:41, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
I have no such idea on where to find them. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:56, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
Maybe try looking at a French Mario Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:09, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
Also this page from Sonic IDW issue 58 (which mind you is extremely graphic) shows that the badniks have emotions (as the Caterkillers and Batbrains clearly have stressed faces right before Blaze brutally murders them). You agree that this basically debunks the Sonic News Network’s claim that the IDW Badniks are mindless drones? Also said issue had one of the sadistic characters (Lanion the Sheep, which was one of the people Zoomer epically trolled) accused the badniks "destroying her home, and it just shows Death Crab walking by and not even noticing her. She is basically accusing Death Crab for something they didn’t (or at least weren’t trying) to do, just so they could treat the badniks as evil. You agree that is bad? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:56, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, although I'm not sure why you keep hammering on something that they won't change their minds over. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:31, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to mention how the Badniks in the IDW comics being "mindless drones" is completely false and was likely made up (and in the case for issue 58, it literally shows several of the badniks having a shocked expression right before they get killed by Sonic and his friends). I honestly have no idea who added that personalty section, as it is just kind of stupid. Also did the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe versions of Amsterdam Drift and Bangkok Rush show Monty Moles and Rocky Wrenches (like the MKT versions)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:43, March 2, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure -- we can see once they release. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:07, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Also about what I said with the Badniks? I did check the trailer for the new courses, and it seems like Monty Moles will return in Amsterdam Drift, but I am unsure if Rocky Wrench will reappear in Bangkok Rush (so we can wait to see for that one). Also, any Monty Mole species things you can find here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:15, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
I really got nothing to say about the Badniks. And why do you want me to check the issue in particular. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:17, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
I found it on the internet archive, but I have trouble trying to access the images, so that is why I want you to help. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:06, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah seems like they messed up the book reader in general. What made you think there's anything Monty-related here? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:16, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Cause it seems that this has some Super Mario-kun related stuff in it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:40, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Some requests I have are uploading the rest of the unused Super Paper Mario Monty Mole sprites, trying to assemble the Rocky Wrench sprite from Paper Mario Sticker Star, and helping make a page for the rocks that Monty Moles throw starting in Super Mario 64. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:12, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not a sprite assembler. As for those rocks, they're probably just generic rocks. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:57, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok. Are you still cool with helping upload the other unused Super Paper Mario Monty Mole sprites (they can be found on the spritesheet on the Spriters Resource)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:21, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
I'll check and see the Monty Mole sprites Bawitdaba (talk) 21:24, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also could you upload the defeated sprites for Rocky Wrench in SMB3 (the red one), the unused Super Mario World one, both remakes of SMB3, and all four styles in Super Mario Maker? Also, do you mind cropping the unused Rocky Wrench log car sprite from Yoshi’s Island? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:26, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
No prob -- anyway, you'll have to show me where exactly (mainly the unused Rocky Wrench sprite from Super Mario World). Will Spriters Resource do? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:35, March 3, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, it will do. Also, any new Monty Mole lore stuff that has happened or has been discovered recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:51, March 4, 2023 (UTC)
Not as far as I'm aware. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:01, March 4, 2023 (UTC)

Infoboxes and paper enemies

Mind helping fix the infobox and add more images to the page I just recently made (the Japanese Mario perfect Encyclopedia one)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:31, March 9, 2023 (UTC)

I could probably fix the infobox, but not sure about images Bawitdaba (talk) 00:33, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also since the last Mario Movie trailer is coming out tomorrow, mind telling me of it has Monty Mole or not if you decide to see it? Also, could you help fix some of the enemy pages I put under rewrite and expand (such as Boss Bass and Paper Petey Piranha)? Also, mind fixing the Mega Mole grayscale icon sprite from Mario Family (since you forgot to remove the two blue sprites in-between the hairs)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:59, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Not interested in seeing the trailer, sorry. And I can fix the sprite. Also, yeah I can have a crack at those two pages as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:06, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Alright. Also mind fixing the outdated RPG infoboxes seen on most of the enemy species pages (like Swooper and most of the enemies exclusive to the RPGs) to the one that is used on the Monty Mole species pages? Also, the Paper characters and species in Paper Jam aren’t actually their Paper Mario counterparts right (like Paper Goomba not being the same as the Goombas seen in the Paper Mario series)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:09, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Oh yeah I remember you asking me this a while ago. Sorry that I hadn't gotten to it yet. Funnily enough, MarioWiki Fandom also has its own set of enemy stat infoboxes needing to be replaced, so seems like those infoboxes are deemed obsolete in general Bawitdaba (talk) 01:14, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah true, also about my question about the paper enemies? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:30, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Oh my mistake, I didn't see it. Yeah I agree with you on that, which is why I split the Paper Petey Piranha info from the Paper Mario series back into the main Petey Piranha article. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:47, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
You think the paper stuff in Paper Jam is actually not the real events of Paper Mario, and rather just an identical looking paper world (or is it the same as the Paper Mario series)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:08, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
I think it's more the fact that they're explicitly defined as distinct paper forms within that game. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:04, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah true, and the Paper Mario games treat them as just the regular characters. Anyways, mind helping with the badnik requests I said on the SEGA wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:37, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Remind me what they were again? Bawitdaba (talk) 22:39, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Making a page for Shellcracker and adding the info from the classic Badnik pages in SNN (like Crabmeat, Buzz Bomber, Burrobot, etc). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:43, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
We already have a page for the Classic Badniks you mentioned though Bawitdaba (talk) 22:45, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
I meant transporting the Classic Badnik info to the main Badnik page for the Sega wiki. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:14, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Might be too hard for me to do Bawitdaba (talk) 23:17, March 9, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, also any news on Monty Mole appearing in the upcoming Mario movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:00, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
No, and I think I already told you before that I don't want to discuss Mario film Bawitdaba (talk) 00:00, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Ok sorry. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:02, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
It's okay, it's just that the film feels offputting for me, so I don't focus on what the latest updates and so forth is. I only catch win of it. Btw I made that Shellcracker page you requested & made a PipeProject for RPG enemy tables. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:04, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
I saw, and its pretty cool that you helped. I am only following the Mario Movie just to see if the Monty Mole species is in it. If for some damn reason the Monty Mole species isn’t in the movie (which would be dumb since THE FREAKING SUPER MARIO GALAXY BATS CONFIRMED TO BE IN IT), then I will likely pretend that it doesn’t exist and ignore the movie. The trailers we have had so far have been pretty damn bad (though I didn’t see the last one yet). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:09, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps I clarify -- I'm okay discussing the film if it like this, but not if it based on asking me to see like the trailers or anything. So basically they making it too much like Super Mario Galaxy? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:13, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Alright. Also from my knowledge, not really. The movie just for some reason included the bats from Super Mario Galaxy (despite them being an obscure enemy that never appeared outside of the Galaxy games), I don’t really think the movie itself is being like that game, rather I just said that I would be mad if Monty Mole (or any other member of the species) never appeared in the movie at all, while an obscure Super Mario Galaxy enemy most people forgot existed gets to be in the movie instead (which is weird since I am pretty sure Swoopers are confirmed to appear in the movie). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:23, March 10, 2023 (UTC)


Did you hear that most of the pages for the crossover characters from Super Smash Bros. on the Super Mario Wiki actually had their pages be turned into redirects? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:40, March 10, 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I've worked very hard to back them up. I shared a list of trophy images (and Pokemon) with HMFan, and some of the imported page histories should be on this wiki for like Assist Trophies, etc. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:24, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
You think this is another one of those instances where the Super Mario Wiki is trying to make itself more soulless, unreliable, and empty? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:29, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Without a doubt Bawitdaba (talk) 23:43, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I agree, also you agree the new Mega Mole KC Mario section on the Super Mario Wiki is far worse in every single way? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:52, March 10, 2023 (UTC)
Well I don't know anything on the manga, I think I've told you, but it's definitely obvious that they removed heaps of info, really messing things up in the process. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:10, March 11, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it is really stupid, like when they removed all of that info of Bowser’s appearance in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:06, March 11, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping making a Buzz Bomber page, and also getting a screenshot from their Mario & Sonic at the 2014 Olympic Games appearance (you can get a screenshot here)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:11, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Yea I think I can possibly do that Bawitdaba (talk) 14:13, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Btw my mistake for not knowing what you meant about the Classic enemies earlier on -- makes sense that you were talking about Sonic Generations. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:32, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
And also Sonic Mania as well. Also, you made a major error in the Buzz Bomber page. You accidentally treated the Buzz Bombers as Buzzers (despite that being a name for a variant of Buzz Bomber). If you look at the Buzz Bombers, they are clearly Buzz Bombers (though in the Sonic Lost World style). Also, could you help add the appearance of Buzz Bombers in the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games as well? Anyways, I hope this helps. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:37, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Ok there Bawitdaba (talk) 21:56, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, the page looks a lot better. Also if you could, mind trying to find an image of the yellow Buzz Bombers in the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:19, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Also, maybe some other time. Add a maintenance tag if you feel it's necessary. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:19, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Mind uploading an image of the Glorpedo model (it was uploaded on the Models Resource recently)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:50, March 13, 2023 (UTC)
Bruh, the Super Mario Wiki legit says on the Eggrobo page that Egg Pawns and Flappers are variants of Eggrobo and Omega is a notable member of Eggrobo. Has it ever even been confirmed that these three are related to Eggrobos at all? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:11, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
I would've just called them relatives. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:13, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
I would likely say more like comparable, since it isn’t really confirmed (unlike something like Shellcracker being a variant of Crabmeat for example). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:24, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
Also how likely do you think it will be for a member of the Monty Mole species to appear in the Super Mario Bros. Movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:38, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
It's not possible to know. Is it hard to wait to find out? The film is not too far off from release. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:40, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. You think it is likely that the scene the Monty Moles appeared in likely was not shown in the marketing for unknown reasons? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:56, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
I think there's no way of telling why, but keep in mind the numerous characters and species in the Mario franchise. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:52, March 14, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping add the stuff that was in this edit? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:21, March 15, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, do you mind helping with adding the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Badnik pages now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:14, March 16, 2023 (UTC)
Yes, but it would be easier for me to if you gave a list o f which pages you were thinking about in particular Bawitdaba (talk) 03:14, March 16, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair, there is Balkiry, Buzz Bomber (which already got a page), Clucker, Nebula, and Rexon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:50, March 16, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the help with the badnik pages. Also, can you add the image of the Egg Pawn and Falpper from the 3ds version of the London Olympic Games for the Badnik page (and also expand upon it much more)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:53, March 16, 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Aside from enemy list I don't know what else to add to the Badnik page for now (aside from perhaps lists or relevant background info, if any). There's not any lore of them within the Mario & Sonic series -- it's more a case of they just so happen to appear due to being main feature of the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:38, March 16, 2023 (UTC)
Question, since you beaten the Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, I was wondering if you saw any Badniks during your playthrough? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:43, March 17, 2023 (UTC)
Well there were obviously those in Tokyo Sky Flight, but I could've sworn there was another minigame that had them. If you'd like to check on YouTube, feel free to Bawitdaba (talk) 14:24, March 17, 2023 (UTC)
Was it like an 8 bit minigame like the Sky Flight one? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:57, March 17, 2023 (UTC)
oh wait, I remember now -- it was Kabukiza Clash, but it only has Egg pawns Bawitdaba (talk) 23:36, March 17, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, also wanna make pages for the Badniks I listed in the Badnik page? Also you should probably take a look at these sprites. Oh and also, were there many Badniks in the 3ds version of the London 2012 Olympic Games? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:30, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
I know there were the Egg Flappers and Egg Pawns. Also, not sure about other Badnik pages (at least for now) -- maybe some other time. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:39, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, also, there was this description for Gamma in Sonic Adventure that said that Gamma was "an innocent mind that did not mean to harm anyone," despite the fact GAMMA LITERALLY MURDERS SENTIENT ROBOTS WITHOUT ZERO REMORSE AND IS A COMPLETE HYPOCRITE. You agree that description is complete BS? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:44, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Yes Bawitdaba (talk) 14:42, March 18, 2023 (UTC)


Also, do you agree that Super Choropū and Choropūko are notable members of big Monty Mole and not just a generic enlarged Monty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:29, March 18, 2023 (UTC)

Yeah that's how I feel about it too. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:32, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Anyways, wanna continue with making the Badnik pages? Also, could you expand the Spinner page on the SEGA wiki to include more of their other appearances? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:37, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
I'll start with Spinner. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:48, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, done Spinner. The events of IDW Publishing was told in-universe order (as is case with some other Badniks), so that one is too difficult for me to port over to tell in comic series real-world chronology order. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:19, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. Also, isn’t Spinner like one of the very few Badniks that returned frequently in the 2000s? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:25, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Looks like it, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 17:29, March 18, 2023 (UTC)
Wanna create more Badnik pages (like the ones I listed in the Badnik page)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:33, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
At some point I can see about getting to the rest of them, sure Bawitdaba (talk) 22:10, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool, could you also try and help replace the outdated rpg infoboxes from most enemy pages with the one you made for the Monty Mole species pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:12, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
Are you not able to help on that? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:13, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
You could check the pages that need rewriting and check the enemy pages there. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:15, March 24, 2023 (UTC)
I've not forgotten -- I just want to do it within my own time, seeing as I've been very focused on the Fandom Mario wiki as of late. Bawitdaba (talk) 11:28, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, will you also help out the Monty Mole species pages on that wiki as well (the last time I majority helped was correcting the Presenter stuff). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:44, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps. I am still willing to help (like I got you the Bowser's Inside Story save file) but I don't want to be too overwhelmed with tasks (I already get overwhelmed from how much as-is already) Bawitdaba (talk) 16:07, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool. Also did you get to Tower of Yikk yet? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:46, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
Yes. I thought I told you that save file I sent has the first save slot right before Tower of Yikk & the second one right before Monty Bros first encounter Bawitdaba (talk) 19:27, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool, anyways mind trying to help upload screenshots of all the Tower of Yikk attacks for this wiki? Also, mind helping carry over this edit that was made on the manga Monty Mole species pages seen in the Super Mario Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:33, March 25, 2023 (UTC)
I don't see which edit in particular (though I did see edits to those articles). As for Tower of Yikk, might be difficult to do outside of YouTube video because the Tower of Yikk battle requires use of Microphone (for Bowser's flame breath) and DS emulator (at least for me) struggles to emulate that. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:02, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
Maybe just try damage boosting through some of the attacks. At the very least could you try to get a picture of the Mawful Mole attack (like one when they emerge from the tower and one where they are fixing it)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:09, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
Also, these were the edits I was referring to and this happened with all the Monty Mole species pages from the Mario manga that had confirmed names so mind doing something similar to what they did but for this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:59, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
That just relocates it to the foreign names template, and seeing as the Japanese is the only language to have a name i personally prefer to keep as is, under nihongo template (which exists for situations such as this). also i have been thinking about Tower of Yikk a bit. Perhaps i could give it a try (when i'm feeling better, as i was sick earlier today). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:25, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah makes sense, we would only need the another language thing if someone was able to get the Spanish and French translations of Super Mario-kun and upload the unique names found there. Also, I am pretty sure the "Classic" Badnik pages are being merged with the regular Badnik pages so I am curious on what you think about that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:31, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
I disagree with the merges. It's based on context, so like the Paper enemies in M&L Paper Jam are because context says they're in paper form for that appearance whereas in Paper Mario series, they're the regular characters represented by that art style. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:32, March 26, 2023 (UTC)
I think the reason why they were merged was because the "classic" Badniks in Sonic Mania and Sonic Generations have the exact same functions as their regular counterparts and really no differences. It is even more blatant with Sonic Generations since both the regular and "classic" Badniks are basically the exact same (and that game basically treated the "classic" universe as just in the past). Additionally, Sonic Mania seems to also be in the past and Classic Sonic just skipped forward in time. It isn’t like Paper Jam, where the Paper and regular enemies are different, it more seems like the classic Badniks are just the Badniks from the past and Sonic Mania is more of like similar to the Paper Mario games in that it is just the main universe but in a different art style. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:48, March 26, 2023 (UTC)

Monty Mole in the Super Mario Bros. Movie

I saw a cast listing of Monty Mole being voiced in the Super Mario Bros. Movie, but I can’t find it anymore. Do you mind trying to help find it again? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:50, March 30, 2023 (UTC)

I was unaware of this, so I probably can't find. I might get to the Tower of Yikk screenshots soon Bawitdaba (talk) 22:19, March 30, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool! Anyways, if you do see that Monty Mole is confirmed to be in the Super Mario Bros. Movie, please let me know. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:20, March 30, 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing bud. I don't know when I'll get to the screenshots specifically, but it's definitely on my radar Bawitdaba (talk) 22:23, March 30, 2023 (UTC)
Good news, I found the thing here, but is this cast list even official? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:13, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
I'd say wait a couple more days until the movie premieres. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:17, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair, but I am still wondering if you think this cast list is real, or is it just fanmade? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:04, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
I don't know Bawitdaba (talk) 02:40, March 31, 2023 (UTC
Should I ask RPG Gamer about it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:27, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Yea perspective should help. I will say that the list was made by a user named mattbrown1999, so it's not from official IMDb staff. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:53, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair point. Also I was reading more Sonic the Comic for a video I am making and Sonic literally graphs daily Murdered a group of Buzz Bombers and then went out of his way to brutally murder the two that tried to flee. Don’t you see why I genuinely despise Sonic as a character and think he is an unlikeable heartless sadistic genocide committing monster that they try desperately to make you sympathize with (which fails due to him being a genuinely horrible person)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:46, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I get it Bawitdaba (talk) 11:09, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Good news, the next Super Mario-kun volume is coming out this April (proof). Also, can you make a page for the Marve-Shupopolous-Gou in the Sega Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:02, March 31, 2023 (UTC)
Here you are, my good guy Bawitdaba (talk) 00:07, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Also, could you make a page for the train Badnik from this game (either now or when the Sonic News Network makes a page for it)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:13, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
Yw. Also, perhaps later once a substantial page has been made. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:15, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
You agree that it is sad that the train Badnik dies? Oh also, should we make pages on all the Sonic 3 &K and Sonic Mania minibosses? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:17, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
I was not aware of the existence of that game until now (I struggle to keep up to date with all the wiki editing I do & older games that I play). But I'll take your word for that it is sad. Also, obviously they would get pages, being minibosses from a Sonic the Hedgehog game. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:21, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the game literally just released today with little to no marketing (besides a trailer that also released today). The fact that a joke game gave us an entirely new Badnik is honestly pretty impressive. Anyways, should we start the Tower of Yikk screenshots now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:52, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
I have not forgotten about them. Like I said, give me time -- like when I got you the save file for BIS Bawitdaba (talk) 05:17, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
Ok fair. Anyways, wanna make pages on all the Badniks I listed in the Badnik page for this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:26, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
In my own time Bawitdaba (talk) 20:27, April 1, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool. Also, could you make the Mirage Express page now, since the page for it has been made on SNN? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:12, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
Okay then Bawitdaba (talk) 16:14, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
Also, I should be getting to the Tower of Yikk stuff soon. I made the page you requested by the way. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:34, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
Cool to hear. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:05, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
Okay some bad news is that my computer too slow to run M&L Bowser's Inside Story for some reason, so I won't be able to get to doing it. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:32, April 2, 2023 (UTC)

Eh, thats fine, I understand that you’re having PC issues at the moment. Oh also, what do you think about the question I said on the SEGA wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:06, April 2, 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see any question. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:08, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
Oh, well it was about how you feel about the Mirage Express if you were wondering. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:14, April 2, 2023 (UTC)
When the Super Mario Bros. Movie releases, mind updating all the latest appearance things for characters/species/objects that appear on the movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:22, April 4, 2023 (UTC)
I'm personally not up for doing that, mainly due to not being interested in film. I def was thinking that we could say it's overall the latest & then add latest game appearance Bawitdaba (talk) 22:34, April 4, 2023 (UTC)
I wish there was just a script that could do that type of stuff automatically, you agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:54, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking the exact same thing earlier, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 00:54, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
I was wondering what you thought about the Mirage Express from the new Sonic game? Oh also, I expanded the Sonic Prime section for Burrobot, Buzz Bomber, and Caterkiller, what do you think about it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:08, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
I haven't played that game, so I don't have an opinion, but I do think the inclusion of a train was a clever idea. I checked Sonic News Network just now -- good stuff, I like how you added the whole thing yourself on the Caterkiller article. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:12, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
No problem, should I try expanding the Sonic Prime section for the main Badnik page as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:36, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
That's your business, but if you want to do that and show me, then feel free to Bawitdaba (talk) 01:37, April 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. Also I got some bad news, Monty Mole isn’t in the Super Mario Bros. Movie. You agree that sucks since Monty Mole hasn’t made a full appearance since 2021 (excluding merchandise and Mario Kart updates)? I am still kind of mad that the freaking bats from Super Mario Galaxy were in the movie but not Monty Mole (despite it literally making no logical sense why the Mario Galaxy bats would be there). Also I am pretty sure most of the movie overuses the same species over and over again as well. I know we usually don’t talk about the movie, but this is an exception. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:42, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
I have no opinion on the matter Bawitdaba (talk) 17:27, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, but do you agree that it is kind of dumb how we haven’t had a full Monty Mole species appearance since 2021? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:38, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yea I guess it is, but I would expect them to eventually appear in another spinoff game, which they regularly tend to Bawitdaba (talk) 17:39, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah hopefully, since the Mario games in 2022 didn’t really have room for the Monty Mole species (due to laziness or not having them). Also there is that upcoming volume of Super Mario-kun that might have Monty Mole in it (since it is in a Mario Party Superstars arc). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:04, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Anyways, did you like or dislike the Super Mario Bros. Movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:13, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Dislike, hence why I have not watched it, as there's already bad signs for me personally, namely the redesign of Donkey Kong and them settling upon a movie in the Super Mario series whereas The Legend of Zelda gets a proper new game at same time doesn't sit well with me. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:13, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. I have not seen the movie either, but from what I saw it looks terrible. The marketing was really bad and barely showed anything interesting, the voice acting from what I heard sounded extremely generic and felt like they were only voice acted by celebrities just for the sake of it (unlike something like Shrek), and the character designs looked pretty off (especially the Koopa Troopas). I am also pretty sure that the movie only does surface level references and is extremely generic otherwise, and I am pretty sure the movie just overuses like the same 7 enemy species (outside of the rare kind of obscure one here and there) with little to no variety (like they couldn’t even get the Monty Mole species, yet they could include THE FREAKING SUPER MARIO GALAXY BATS IN A POSTER (despite it not even making any sense, because Super Mario Galaxy implied that most of the unique species there are just exclusive to space, and I don’t even like that game anyways)). I know some people like the movie, and that is perfectly fine, but if you want to rant about the movie like me, then we can go all out. Also mild spoilers here: but I heard the post credits scene is literally just showing Yoshi and nothing else (because they think a common recurring Mario character being in a Mario movie is SOOOO shocking). If they ever make a sequel, I hope it is at least decent, since I felt like stuff like the DIC Mario cartoons were so much more superior. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:30, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
The use of celebrities, especially well known ones (e.g. Black, Pratt, Rogen) was just a flat-out bad move in my opinion, as it suggests the desire for mainstream relevance. No harm in being bold and trying entirely different actors that no one has heard of before. Interesting that you mention the DiC cartoons as I've also been telling various people that if they had followed the format of the DiC cartoons, that would have been better. Then there's the approach of trying to market it to moviegoers in general, and from what it looks, they want to include whatever reached pop culture status, as referencing games like Mario Clash for Virtual Boy or Mario Superstar Baseball would not be understood by most moviegoers, so they settle upon referencing mainly the Super Mario series (and Donkey Kong arcade game). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:45, April 6, 2023 (UTC)
Granted, the Super Show was kind of all over the place (likely due to the Mario series being in its infancy at the time), but the later two Mario cartoons they made felt much better, as they took full advantage of the game they were based on and didn’t have to heavily rely on cheap pop culture references. The Super Mario Bros. Movie just feels like they only wanted to play it safe for the sake of marketing, as the fact that they did get Charles to be in the movie and have him not voice Mario is really stupid (it is like if a SpongeBob movie had Tom Kenny as a supporting role, but not the voice of SpongeBob). Also they didn’t really do anything interesting with the references, such as the Mario Kart stuff being the absolutely most barebones stuff about the game, and some random power-ups like the Super Bell just for the sake of references (that is why I also hate the two live action Sonic movies, even if those movies are FAR worse cause they are far more surface level). I personally think that another Mario cartoon would have been far better, as that gives more possibilities to do more obscure stuff more than a movie (just like the DiC cartoons). Also, doesn’t the movie basically contradict and retcon a lot of stuff from the preexisting lore (which didn’t happen with the DiC cartoons and the manga)? Also, what do you think of the absolute generic and barebones enemy roster that the movie has, isn’t it just spamming generic species like Koopa Troopas with little to no variety (outside of the minor appearance of a more obscure species like Bramball)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:01, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
I don't like the overuse of Koopa Troopas. As for retcon, there's no established continuity within Mario -- only separate storylines. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:03, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Do you think the over usage of generic enemies like Koopas was only done due to sheer laziness and to pander to the main steam market (instead of being creative and at least having some other enemies such as Monty Moles)? Also, you agree the Sonic live action movies are pretty terrible in terms of representing the enemies. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:24, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was trying to get at, regarding the Mario film. As for the Sonic films, from what I've seen with the Buzz Bomber in the second film, its vastly different appearance reminds me of the 1993 Super Mario Bros. film Bawitdaba (talk) 01:26, April 7, 2023 (UTC)

You think it was the best option to just skip the Super Mario Bros. Movie, as it was likely just little enemy variety, mediocre jokes, unfitting voice acting, barebones references, and overall just feeling generic, safe, and incredibly boring? Also yeah, I feel like they only redesigned Buzz Bomber for the sake of change (Crabmeat also appeared in a prequel comic for the second movie, yet not in the actual movie itself lol). Which game do you think had the overall best roster of Badniks (I personally think it is a tie between the Wii U/PC version of Sonic Lost World and Sonic Mania)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:19, April 7, 2023 (UTC)

Any Badnik lineup with Buzz Bombers and Caterkillers work for me Bawitdaba (talk) 04:48, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair (I like most Badniks, but my favorites are Crabmeats (their variants as well like Crab Bot and Shellcracker), any Mole Badnik (Like Burrobot, Grounder, and Madmole), and Zoomer (cause of what they did in IDW issue 57). Also, what about my question for the Super Mario Bros. Movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:56, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Mind helping make this page for me please? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:21, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I'd personally go right ahead and skip it. Also, sure I can get to that when I have time (I haven't forgotten about the Badnik pages, don't worry). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:36, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Sounds great to me. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:59, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
I saw the cool edit you made on the Mario Superstar Baseball section of the Monty Mole page, and it got me thinking. Do you mind trying to get a better screenshot of Monty Mole in that game to replace the low quality one? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:49, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Because it's difficult to emulate Dolphin, I'll need you to find from a YouTube video if I am to get to that. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:25, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, good luck with finding it, or should I help find a good video as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:41, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
You can find it if you'd like Bawitdaba (talk) 17:42, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
This video right here seems pretty good for the screenshot. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:04, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, when I go to the image’s page, it does not load the newly uploaded image and just shows the old image, yet on the pages it looks like the new image. Mind reporting this issue and trying to get it fixed (also I tried resetting my website data and it still didn’t work)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:28, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
It's the same for me. Sometimes caching can take a while, so it's out of my control Bawitdaba (talk) 18:48, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Ok I guess. Also, what do you think is the worst aspect of the Mario movie (I personally think it is the lack of unique enemy species and just resorting to overusing the same couple of enemies with no creativity)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:53, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
The close association to Hollywood, giving off the implication that they're pushing for mainstream relevance Bawitdaba (talk) 22:52, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
So basically, trying to be as generic as possible to appease people unfamiliar with the franchise and masking all of the generic and boring stuff with cheap and surface level references? Also, doesn’t the movie kind of retcon and ruin the pre established lore? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:21, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
First of all, I've told you a few times before that I go by continuities, not established lore, so don't ask me about what is and is not Mario lore. Being someone who hasn't seen the film, I can't make a fully educated guess on the SMB Movie, but I'm just going by certain red flags, citing strong Hollywood influence as one of them. But yeah, sounds like the basis on pop culture for a mainstream audience, not necessarily just a gamer demographic, does not sit well for me. I hear they added pop songs into the film, something that imo should never mix with Mario. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:35, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
Continuities go well more for Sonic than with Mario, but I get your point. I feel the same way with the Sonic movies (except they are far, far worse), as they are incredibly basic and shallow but cram in as many basic and safe references they could think of just to appeal to the mainstream market. Also the fact that the Mario movie LITERALLY USES POP MUSIC kind of shows how little they really cared for the movie to be more than just a generic and play it safe kids movie with a Mario coat of paint (not to mention that horrible unfunny song that Bowser sings about Peach that feels like something ripped straight out of newgrounds). Also, do you think the Hollywood influence is the reason why the movie ONLY uses incredibly generic enemy species and doesn’t even try to add any other species at all? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:49, April 7, 2023 (UTC)
I don't think it's the Hollywood influence necessarily, but they'd definitely want to add familiar faces in if marketing toward a wide audience. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:41, April 8, 2023 (UTC)
Do you agree the Mario movie character designs are pretty off and uncomfortable? Also, mind uploading the Monty Mole sprite from here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:12, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I do Bawitdaba (talk) 15:10, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the designs either feel slightly off, or just disgusting looking like with Koopa Troopa. The worst thing about the movie is the lack of species variety, because from what I seen and heard about, the movie overuses the same 5 generic enemy species (especially Koopa Troopas), with the very rare appearance of another more obscure species every so often, but other than that it is just spamming the same generic species for like every scene with little to no variety just for sheer laziness. You agree that it sucks how they did that (since the Mario series has a wide variety of enemy species which they didn’t even take advantage of using)? Also sometime, do you mind helping upload images to Sonic News Network? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:37, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Sorry I don't edit Sonic News Network -- the MarioWiki on Fandom is the only exception I've made. And we already discussed the enemy species & you already asked me that, to which I said yes a greater variety could have perhaps been used. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:01, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, thanks for letting me know. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:12, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome Bawitdaba (talk) 20:59, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Which character has the worst voice acting in the Super Mario Bros. Movie (I would personally say Bowser, cause he literally sounds nothing like Bowser and just sounds like a generic villain (the DiC cartoons did a way better job than this movie tbh))? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:20, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Don't know honestly because I don't watch clips. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:21, April 9, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the only real times I even listened to the horrible voice acting was because of ads and stuff, I skipped out on the trailers cause they were really bad. Also from what I saw, the plot is likely really scatter shot and unfocused until Mario just gets to the end with nothing really interesting happening in the journey. It is such a shame that the movie had to be a generic play it safe dumpster fire, since it had so much potential to be at least decent (not to mention how awful of a year Mario had in 2022, and this movie not helping at all to make things better). Also, the movie will hopefully likely not influence the games right? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:02, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
I really hope it does not influence the games, although seems Mario Kart Tour has been doing that as of late (considering the Booster Course Pass in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:06, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
To be fair, despite how popular (and terrible) the Sonic movies were, they did not really influence the games that much, also you agree 2022 was by far one of the worst years for Mario in the franchise’s history? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:17, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah 2022 was terrible, and I think it feels as if the franchise's direction somewhat resulting in wikis splitting up or something Bawitdaba (talk) 00:20, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Is that why the Super Mario Wiki became more unreliable and untrustworthy, due to the series taking a massive decline in 2022 (since all we got were two extremely terrible Mario games)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:15, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
No it's because the community there is awful Bawitdaba (talk) 01:17, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that makes more sense, did the Super Mario Wiki do anything really stupid or terrible recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:26, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 01:28, April 10, 2023 (UTC)

You think it is even needed to watch the Super Mario Bros. Movie to understand how bad it is (since it is pretty clear from the research both of us did that the movie is just a generic play it safe cashgrab with no effort to be deep whatsoever)? Also, do you think Mario had a terrible start for this year? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:01, April 10, 2023 (UTC)

Yeah and I agree -- it feels as if the franchise is on a decline sadly. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:06, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Oh so I should watch the movie just to see how absolutely atrocious it is, or should I just skip it since we know full well how terrible it is? Anything else about the movie you would like to rant about (since we both agree it is terrible)? And yeah, I feel like ever since 2022, the Mario series has not had ONE good game (and the fact that the best thing in the past year for Mario was just Mario Kart updates and DLC is kind of sad really). I feel like the movie is just a generic play it safe low effort cashgrab that is just adding fuel to the dumpster fire that is the current state of Mario, you agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:13, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
Your choice whether to see film or not ofc. Yeah I think it's a play-it-safe. I don't know what else about it to rant over Bawitdaba (talk) 23:41, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
The story looks extremely inconsistent from what I seen, it just feels like a bunch of random scenes scrambled together until Mario eventually and tediously reaches Bowser for a dull conclusion. Is that a good summary of the story? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:52, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
I haven't had a look into it. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:53, April 10, 2023 (UTC)
So uh, should we work on the Badnik pages (oh and also mind uploading the Spinner sprite from this sheet)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:31, April 12, 2023 (UTC)
When Spriters Resource starts loading & the images issue on Miraheze is fixed, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 04:21, April 12, 2023 (UTC)
When files are allowed to be uploaded again, do you mind uploading the more important Monty Mole species strips in Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater to be used for this wiki as images (here is a link to them)?
Are you unable to do so? Bawitdaba (talk) 11:39, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah cause storage issues and me not being into image editing as I was back in the day. Anyways, should I tell you which strips you should upload to this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:01, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Tell me once the file storage issue gets fixed Bawitdaba (talk) 22:11, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Will do. Also, you agree this edit right here is really stupid? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:15, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
I have not seen the episode, but from what it sounds the "not noteworthy" thing is an excuse. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:18, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Here is the character I mentioned, and despite it CLEARLY BEING SENTIENT, the sink was removed from the character list twice (though thankfully I added it back). The SpongeBob wiki kind of has a tendency to just delete random pages due to them being "too minor," even if the character has a confirmed name. You agree that it just kind of defeats the point of a wiki if the pages get constantly deleted for being too minor (kind of similar to what happened with the Golden Monty Mole page I made on the Super Mario Wiki, despite it literally having confirmed name). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:48, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that does defeat the whole purpose Bawitdaba (talk) 22:49, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Also, this usually applies mainly to sentient object characters (as I seen very minor incidental characters who do not even have speaking roles still have pages, meanwhile a sentient object character with a line of dialogue and being credited could easily be deleted). The worst example I can find is with the now deleted Patrick’s intestines page, where for months it was perfectly fine and had a good amount of info as well (not to mention how the intestines have a line of dialogue and were originally planned to appear all the way back in a season 6 episode). Despite this, the page got deleted abruptly for no damn reason. You agree that it sucks that sentient object pages usually tend to get screwed over the most? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:54, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Yes Bawitdaba (talk) 22:56, April 13, 2023 (UTC)
Do you think that this decision made right here was something that was incredibly stupid? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:54, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
I don't know the context to this Bawitdaba (talk) 03:24, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
The Super Mario Wiki is treating the implied King Choropū from volume 5 of Super Mario-kun like they didn’t exist and it was just referring to Bowser. You agree that is dumb? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:52, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
Yea I agree. I think I've told you before I'm not versed in Super Mario-kun, so I trust you know what you're doing with the Mario manga, but sounds to me they making decision from heresay without knowing the media. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:57, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
You think it is similar to stuff like the terrible rewrites and getting info wrong from the manga without actually reading it (like when they falsely claimed that the Monty Mole Swoopers in volume 5 of Super Mario-kun fell into oava, which never happened)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:16, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I'm saying Bawitdaba (talk) 14:49, April 14, 2023 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've seen the movie last Thursday, and it was awesome. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 14:55, April 14, 2023 (UTC)

What do you think of this edit I made? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:20, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
It's good, although I'm not for listing the origin media within reference tags, but that's part of their manual of style (I assume) and not ours. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:21, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah understandable, oh also, mind if I tell you those Mario 4koma Manga images you can upload here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:30, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
I'm personally not up for adding the manga scans, as I feel that's something you can do yourself Bawitdaba (talk) 02:31, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
Well I am just bad with cropping stuff nowadays due to being less active and file storage problems, but I get your point. Mind at least uploading the Rocky Wrench and Ragumo strip from here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:17, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
You'll need to link to the image in specific. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:34, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
This Rocky Wrench strip, the top panel of this Monty Mole strip, this Ragumo strip, and any choice of another Monty Mole and Mega Mole strip from here (it doesn’t matter which one you choose). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:52, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, done Bawitdaba (talk) 05:13, April 17, 2023 (UTC)

Not many edits recently

How come you and me haven’t really made any recent edits as of lately? You think it is likely due to not having any good Mario content in recent times? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:15, April 23, 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps because I focused on the Fandom wiki right now Bawitdaba (talk) 18:16, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't mean I've given up here though Bawitdaba (talk) 18:22, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
I know, I just feel like this could also be partially due to most of the recent Mario content such as the movie being really bad and barebones. You agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:45, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that could perhaps be it as well. Mario and related media in general is a big thing, so making a substantial wiki is not an easy task. I often get exhausted from how hard I work on wikis Bawitdaba (talk) 18:50, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair, and you agree that the Mario franchise has been really bad since the past year (and what Mario product since 2022 do you think is the worst)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:24, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
I haven't played Sparks of Hope but I did like the Booster Course DLC (although I wish they created a new Mario Kart out of them). Anyway, yes, I would like to see a Mario Basketball for Switch Bawitdaba (talk) 19:58, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
I meant worst, but ok. Also, judging by how Mario Strikers: Battle League went, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next Mario sports title is a barebones overpriced soulless cashgrab with no content and a horrible character roster. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:11, April 23, 2023 (UTC)
Also, mind updating this image for this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:31, April 24, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also mind uploading this image as well (and covering it on the Rocky Wrench Yoshi’s Island section as well), oh and also this as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:10, April 24, 2023 (UTC)
Okay, I'll see what I can do Bawitdaba (talk) 22:15, April 24, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also, mind helping cleaning up this image and shrinking the other concept art design Broodal image seen on the Rocky Wrench page? Oh and also, what is up with some people hating Rocky Wrench and Shellcracker for no reason? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:39, April 24, 2023 (UTC)
To do that, I'll need the original source material. I'll add image quality tag in meantime. I don't know & have no heard about people hating on them Bawitdaba (talk) 02:34, April 25, 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of my recent edits? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:24, April 26, 2023 (UTC)
Good work as usual Bawitdaba (talk) 00:35, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also mind importing the images from this edit and also downscale this image and also use it to help improve the Powered-Up Rocky Wrench image? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:26, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Same deal was before -- I'll need he source material if I am to put that page at native resolution, so the best I can do is downscale by 50% (which I just did). I'll add those images you requested. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:13, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, also here is that original image that you requested. Also, are you able to buy volume 59 of Super Mario-kun, I can help show you where you can buy it digitally (just use Google Translate to get past the Japanese text)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:10, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
No, I'm not buying any manga Bawitdaba (talk) 23:10, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I just wanted to ask. Oh and also, did you see my recent edit on the Monty Mole page and you think it is cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:15, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Just remember that it's rude to ask someone to buy something. Your edit stating that there's another Monty Mole appearance? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:17, April 27, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that edit (I found out cause one of the chapters had Monty Mole’s name on it). Also sorry for asking you to buy that volume, I was just excited cause it had a new Monty Mole appearance. Also, you did a good job with the image replacements for the unused concept art Broodals, but do you mind removing the black specs from the Rocky Wrench image? Oh also, how do you feel about the horrible Super Mario Bros. Movie doing extremely well in the box office (I am kind of worried, cause it shows that Nintendo and Illumination didn’t need to try in order to get a lot of money, as the Super Mario Bros. Movie is just a soulless cashgrab). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:25, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
The black specs were part of the artwork I figured, although sure. I don't know how I feel about that at the moment, but a definite is still that I'm not eager on seeing the film Bawitdaba (talk) 00:40, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I saw it, and it was genuinely one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Anything else you want to rant about for the Mario movie (and which is worse, the 1993 or 2023 movie)? Also, is it cool that we FINALLY got a new Monty Mole species appearance after an entire year of no new appearances (with the closest we got prior to this being Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC and Mario Kart Tour updates, which those games already had Monty Mole species in them)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:13, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, though I don't judge whether media is good or bad depending on if Monty Mole in or not. What in particular did you dislike about the film? Like I've said, I've not seen it, so Bawitdaba (talk) 01:15, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Glad you asked. I really did not like any of the celebrity voice acting (most of it felt just like the celebrities giving an extremely generic voice or just their regular voice, and it never sounds like the actual character), the character designs are really bad (since it tried to go for both a cartoony and realistic style, but failed at both. Some of the enemies especially have really bad designs), some parts look way too over detailed (like how Bowser looks extremely greaser and sweaty), the story is an incoherent mess with random crap happening every two seconds, the scenes drag on for an extreme amount of time, and there doesn’t really feel like there is any stakes cause half of the movie feels like a bunch of episodes of a scrapped cartoon stitched together until Mario eventually reaches Bowser, the references are extremely shallow and forced, the movie constantly breaks pre established continuity just cause they wanted it to make a lazy prequel, the writing is bland and boring, the humor is forgettable, the enemy variety is atrocious (mostly only using the absolute most generic species (especially Koopa Troopas) and spam them for every scene with little to no variety), everything just feels like a soulless cashgrab just to be one big commercial for Mario products, and overall, the movie just feels soulless and lazy only there to make a quick buck. Anyways, do you have any extra thoughts on my opinions of the movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:27, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
The celebrity thing was definitely a red-flag for me. I'm actually also scared of the character designs, such as Donkey Kong's. I hadn't noticed the species variety, although I heard Bramball was in the film? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:51, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah Bramball is in it, but outside of a few exceptions like that, most of the movie just overuses Koopa Troopas, Goomba’s, Piranha Plants, and Shy Guys with little to no variety whatsoever. The few other enemies that do appear are mostly regulated to very minor roles or background cameos. Not to mention how King Boo and King Bob-omb are just there only for background cameos and nothing else. You agree that is pretty bad? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:16, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it does sound bad that there's a lack of variety. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:48, April 28, 2023 (UTC)
Mind replacing the Choropū (Haha) image with a digital scan of the one from the Super Mario Wiki (it is on the last page of the chapter they appear in by the way)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:01, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
Show me the image in particular Bawitdaba (talk) 16:03, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
this image, though you should probably crop it so that all hear children can be seen in the shot as well. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:10, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
Okay hopefully I got it Bawitdaba (talk) 16:22, April 29, 2023 (UTC)

Yeah you did good. Also, do you think that the Super Mario Wiki treating King Choropū's mention in volume 5 of Super Mario-kun as just the Monty Moles actually talking about Bowser is incredibly stupid and just another unneeded merge of two things that are not related to each other (like the generic sludge balls that Petey Piranha puked out being merged with Glorpedos, and the generic pushing platforms in Tick Tock Clock being treated as the exact same as Bomps)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:02, April 29, 2023 (UTC)

I agree with these, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 17:03, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
Is it likely that the Super Mario Wiki didn’t understand the manga and just made a stupid assumption that made no sense (like all the terrible writing, removing of vital info, and misinformation that was put in the manga sections for the Monty Mole page without my consent (especially when I got banned))? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:42, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps, though I suggest you talk to RPG Gamer about this than me as I don't know what else to add Bawitdaba (talk) 19:16, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
This German Super Mario Power guide called Rocky Wrench a "Koopa tortoise." Is this evidence that Rocky Wrench is in the Koopa species? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:45, May 1, 2023 (UTC)
If the German guide is official then yeah it is Bawitdaba (talk) 23:05, May 1, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it is official (though it made a minor continuity error by saying that Rocky Wrench only started throwing wrenches once they lost their shell, which is untrue since they still threw wrenches even with their shell), mind helping source this German guide on the Rocky Wrench and Koopa page as a source for Rocky Wrench being a Koopa (unlike the Super Mario Wiki just making it as a bold claim with no evidence)? here is a link to the guide by the way, it is called Super Mario Power. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:42, May 2, 2023 (UTC)
Oh also, what do you think of my recent edits covering the info from volume 59 of Super Mario-kun (it is still work in progress though)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:45, May 4, 2023 (UTC)
Wait Monty's Revenge appeared in an issue of Super Mario-kun? Reminds me of when Whack-a-Monty (or a variation of it) did in a different issue. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:47, May 4, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it did, you can see the Monty’s Revenge page to see for yourself. Also I know this is off-topic, but do you agree that it is dumb how the wiki didn’t update the Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga page, as it still incorrectly calls the Presenters as Monty Moles? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:00, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
In fairness it can take a while for others to notice things, but if they don't want to acknowledge that they are yellow Mega Moles in the original, then yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 00:14, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah true, I also think it is dumb how they treated the Monty Moles in the 3DS remake like they are a redesign of Presenter. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:36, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
Wanna help add this edit to the Monty Mole page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:28, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
Do you mind that I think the DiC cartoons and the manga are canon to the games, but not either the 1993 or 2023 movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:43, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
I don't mind it, just keep me out of the canon discussions (I've talked to you before about why I don't like talking about canons & why the term doesn't work for me because it's like trying to artificially pair together stories in-universe when it is not necessarily the case for them). Bawitdaba (talk) 20:02, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I mainly just try to treat all the official stuff I find about the Monty Mole species as connected (and stuff like the manga really help with connecting some loose ends). Also, in retrospect, the Super Mario Bros. Movie is genuinely one of the worst pieces of Mario media I have seen, you agree? Oh and the Super Mario Bros. Movie page in this wiki is really outdated (even if we both hate the movie). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:51, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah and yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 22:06, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
You agree that the Super Mario Bros. Movie feels like a soulless cashgrab from people who barely cared about the Mario franchise and only wanted to make a quick buck (that is why the movie has so many retcons and is extremely surface level)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:26, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
That's what I've been guessing, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 03:07, May 7, 2023 (UTC)
As someone who has seen the movie, it is genuinely even worse if you actually watch it (as there are only like three five locations in the whole movie and literally nothing creative or interesting). Also you agree the character designs in the movie are pretty awful (and sometimes look too over detailed like with Bowser looking extremely gross and sweaty)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:10, May 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I don't like the character designs in the slightest. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:13, May 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah same, it just feels like they wanted to make every character overly detailed and generic at the same time, it is really off putting (not to mention the awkward movements of the characters which make them feel like they have no bones). You think this horrible movie will influence the games in anyway? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:44, May 7, 2023 (UTC)
I do not know Bawitdaba (talk) 12:11, May 7, 2023 (UTC)

Least favorite game

Also what is your least favorite Mario game, just wondering? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:52, May 8, 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I have a properly defined one, although I did find Mario Sports Superstars to be lackluster. The soccer and baseball modes don't have that same quality as the Mario Strikers and Mario Baseball series Bawitdaba (talk) 02:03, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that game is just extremely forgettable and bland. My least favorite is a tie between Mario Strikers: Battle League and Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, since both are lazy soulless cashgrabs with no content and are far weaker compared to their predecessors (the former being worse in my opinion). Also you agree the Mario movie is just as bad as the 1993 movie (from what you seen and heard)? Also why the hell does the Mario movie even have pop songs, is it just to make the movie more soulless and corporate? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:47, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure, but pop songs are a typical move of Hollywood films in general. I have not seen the 1993 film, but that one looks just awkward -- like with Yoshi, Bowser, Daisy, Goomba looking not at all ike in-game counterparts, even if we're going by live action standards. The DiC cartoons had the perfect formula & it's a shame they didn't stick with it in the end, even if it was for creating a theatrical film Bawitdaba (talk) 03:57, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. Also you think the reason the DiC cartoons had widely different personalities for the Koopalings was because of them not having fleshed out personalities at that point in the series (not saying the cartoons are not canon, I am just saying that it is likely why the Koopaling personalities and names are different to the games)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:27, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Maybe they just decided to give them personalities. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:11, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah most likely. Anyways, is it understandable why I say most of the Mario stuff is in the same universe (except the two terrible movies)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:10, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Honestly no (unless the developers are the same), and like I said I'm not the guy to discuss it & I won't interfere with your belief system Bawitdaba (talk) 22:12, May 8, 2023 (UTC)
Ok fair. Also is Rotatatron a Badnik? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:47, May 12, 2023 (UTC)
He's a robot, but I'd say we only call him Badnik if we have an official source to back that statement. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:25, May 12, 2023 (UTC)
Well they are put in the list of Badniks in the Badnik page for Sonic News Network so is that good enough? Anyways, mind making a page for him since he appeared in a Mario & Sonic game? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, May 12, 2023 (UTC)
Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 22:25, May 12, 2023 (UTC)
Alright thanks. Also what do you think of my recent Monty Mole page edit and do you mind making more edits to the Monty Mole species pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:31, May 13, 2023 (UTC)
Lengthy section but seems you did okay. Also, I'll decide that on my own accord or whenever I feel like or want to do so myself. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:40, May 13, 2023 (UTC)
You agree it is stupid how the SpongeBog wiki is constantly deleting my pages due to the, being "too minor"or "non-characters?" You agree that defeats the purpose of a wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:38, May 14, 2023 (UTC)
I think we've talked about this before, and my answer was yes Bawitdaba (talk) 02:50, May 14, 2023 (UTC)
Can you add pictures to the Muncher page? Also any suggestions for Monty Mole species edits I should do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:58, May 18, 2023 (UTC)
No suggestions, and not right now because I'm working on a new wiki I set up called Fanonpedia Bawitdaba (talk) 02:00, May 18, 2023 (UTC)

How is progress on the other wiki you have been working on been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:51, May 20, 2023 (UTC)

It's been okay Bawitdaba (talk) 16:56, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Will it cover fangames? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:28, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 17:29, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool, if there are any unique Monty Mole species or Badniks that are exclusively in fangames, please let me know. Also, anything you want to help out on for the Monty Mole species pages? Oh and also, will you do the Tower of Yikk screenshots soon? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:31, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Okay. Also no (as the Monty Mole pages are pretty well filled in). I told you no because my DS emu does not work. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:38, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, I just forgot about that. Also, you agree the BFB in the PC/Wii U version of Sonic Lost World is a boss and not a standard enemy? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:10, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
It says on Sonic News Network that it's a mini-boss in the Wii U version but enemies in the Nintendo 3DS version. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:22, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I noted that. The reason is because in the Wii U/PC version, the BFBs require multiple hits to defeat, do not contain any animals, and the player automatically completes the stage upon the BFB being defeated. No regular enemies have all three of these traits, so it is safe to assume that the BFB is a miniboss similar to the ones seen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic Mania. In the 3DS version, the BFBs do drop animals upon defeat, which makes them standard enemies in the 3Ds version of the game. Does that make sense (I am in the middle of doing a pacifist run of Sonic Lost World as well by the way)? Also, do you want to help on this pacifist iceberg I am helping on? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:36, May 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, and I'm good -- I'm not experienced in iceberg charts. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:47, May 20, 2023 (UTC)

Lack of good Mario content

You agree that there has been an extreme lack of good Mario content ever since 2022, as we either get unsatisfying garbage or cooperate cashgrabs (like Mario Strikers: Battle League and The Super Mario Bros. Movie)? Also, you agree that the lack of any substantial new Mario content is kind of making this wiki feel harder to add stuff to substain it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:07, May 24, 2023 (UTC)

We have discussed this before, and I said yes Bawitdaba (talk) 23:24, May 24, 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to discuss it further if that is ok with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:59, May 24, 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hey, I just wanted to say hi since we have not talked to each other in a while. Do you mind helping out on the wiki like we used to a few months ago? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:34, July 21, 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome. I have been sorting out personal projects & all, and putting certain wikis on hiatus has helped free up some space for me to also work here. But yes, I'll see what I can do around here (I still remember those enemy stat templates that I still need to do). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:23, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah you should update those enemy stats, since most of them besides the Monty Mole species pages, Tower of Yikk, and the Fawful Express are pretty outdated. Also mind adding these images from this Super Mario Wiki edit? Also, I know we both despise The Super Mario Bros. Movie, but could you please update the page cause it is incredibly outdated? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:02, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you can add those yourself. And no, I am not going to update it. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:06, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, is it because the movie is really bad and you do not want to associate with it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:25, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
I just don't want to invest the energy in updating the page, so yeah pretty much Bawitdaba (talk) 23:37, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
Well do you mind if you let me edit the page so I can edit it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:56, July 21, 2023 (UTC)
That's what it's there for: to be edited. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:04, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
Also is it just me, or does that original page for The Super Mario Bros. Movie show more promise for the film than anything we got ever since the first trailer? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:53, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 10:50, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
I have been working on a lot of icebergs lately, but I will update this wiki from time to time. I was also wondering if you could help update he enemy species pages to be more like the ones on the Super Mario Wiki (just without all the misconceptions)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:43, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, you don't have to tell me because I'm fully aware of those needing work. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:50, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, what enemy species do you want to help fix the page of first? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:52, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
You don't have to message me to ask about these, but in any case I was considering doing the Goomba one. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:55, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:30, July 22, 2023 (UTC)
What Monty Mole species stuff should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:11, July 26, 2023 (UTC)
You don't have to ask me this question Bawitdaba (talk) 15:47, July 26, 2023 (UTC)
Ok. Also, could you revamp the Goomboss/Goomba King, since it feels kind of outdated and it incorrectly said that Megasparkle Goomba was the exact same as the Goomba King? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:44, July 26, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah possibly. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:47, July 26, 2023 (UTC)


Do you mind helping me add images from time to time? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:10, August 5, 2023 (UTC)

okay Bawitdaba (talk) 22:05, August 6, 2023 (UTC)
Ok cool, do you mind adding the images from this edit and two 4koma Gag Battle strips from here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:16, August 7, 2023 (UTC)
Okay one sec done, but I expect you to add them in. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:14, August 8, 2023 (UTC)
I can do that, also, do you mind adding this Mawful Mole model, but removing the hammer (if you can) since it could get in the way? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:54, August 8, 2023 (UTC)
Oh and also, do you mind removing the 4 stray pixels by the Mawful Mole model's claw? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:10, August 9, 2023 (UTC)
Removing it was already a tough challenge as-is, so an image quality tag will have to be added in that case. Bawitdaba (talk) 09:46, August 9, 2023 (UTC)
Sounds fine by me. Also, do you think Monty Mole will be in Super Mario Bros. Wonder? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:32, August 9, 2023 (UTC)
I can't tell, but if he appeared in New Super Mario Bros. U, my guess would be yes. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:31, August 9, 2023 (UTC)

Finishing the Badnik pages

Do you mind adding the rest of the Badnik pages to this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:41, August 26, 2023 (UTC)

If I get a chance to, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 21:17, August 29, 2023 (UTC)
Alright cool. Also, do you think Monty Mole will be revealed in the upcoming Super Mario Bros. Wonder direct? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:27, August 30, 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 12:57, September 1, 2023 (UTC)
They did not appear in the trailer, so is it more likely they will appear in the final game? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:08, September 1, 2023 (UTC)
I don't have the ability to predict that. However, Monty Moles did appear in many of the New Super Mario Bros. and the Super Mario Maker installments. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:02, September 1, 2023 (UTC)
To be fair, nobody can predict what Nintendo will do with Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but I do hope that Monty Mole makes some sort of appearance in the game, since they honestly really deserve to come back since they have been neglected ever since 2022. Also, which is worse, the 1993 Mario movie, or the 2023 one? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 09:07, September 2, 2023 (UTC)
I cannot give an informed response as to which is worse. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:03, September 2, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, wanna just do a simple rant then? You can go first. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:50, September 3, 2023 (UTC)
No thank you Bawitdaba (talk) 17:15, September 5, 2023 (UTC)
Alright then. Do you agree that the Mario franchise has been pretty dry in terms of interesting content as of recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:02, September 6, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not completely sold on Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but Super Mario RPG looks interesting. I'm glad we're getting another Wario franchise game, WarioWare: Move It!. I'd be happy to get the Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon port for Switch as well. So I don't think it's really that "dry" as of late. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:47, September 6, 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok, what parts of Super Mario Bros. Wonder makes you less excited about it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:24, September 6, 2023 (UTC)
The Talking Flowers Bawitdaba (talk) 21:21, September 7, 2023 (UTC)
So you think they would likely get kind of annoying after a while? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:00, September 7, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I do Bawitdaba (talk) 17:54, September 9, 2023 (UTC)
What should we do for this wiki right now, since there has not been much new Monty Mole lore as of recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:22, September 14, 2023 (UTC)

What now?

Should we try to get more work on this wiki done (like cleaning up more pages)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:06, September 22, 2023 (UTC)

Yeah we could. Sorry I'm just still working on other things (NSMBFan is as well). Hopefully I'll be more freed up by the end of this year. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:32, September 24, 2023 (UTC)
Understandable. It also does not help that there has not been much Monty Mole lore as of recently. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:48, September 24, 2023 (UTC)
Good point Bawitdaba (talk) 14:39, September 24, 2023 (UTC)

Searching for Wiki Creation Help

I know this may not be the best place to do this, but I've particularly been seeking your talents since May. I've seen your edits and contributed in minor forms on Miraheze wikis under a different name, you may or may not recognize me as Cheez-They. I have had a wish to create a rap metal wiki on Miraheze, but I'm not as skilled in the formatting aspects or creation of a wiki despite my encyclopedic knowledge of rap metal musicians and songs. I'm assuming that you're generally fond of rap metal based on your username and tidbits on other wikis. I'm also aware you're a very talented wiki artist, I'd really like to enlist your help in putting this together if you're not too busy, or maybe even just chat about it to help me get on the right page if you don't want to be too committed. You can find me on Discord under the username "quicksicle". I'd really appreciate any help or communication that you could give me, you seem like a cool guy! Quicksicle (talk) 23:03, October 4, 2023 (UTC)

@Quicksicle: Great to see a fellow rap-metal guy! Yeah, Limp & Kid are my two favs. my user name is my fav song of all time. I also like country metal and groove metal, among various other genres (don't count pop in it though!). Also, I don't use Discord. As for wiki styling, show me the wiki and I can take a look at it when I carve out some time for it. I'm actually glad that you're committed to doing a rap-metal wiki bcuz I generally want to focus on gaming wikis (despite the username). Bawitdaba (talk) 11:34, October 6, 2023 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. Wonder

You agree that Super Mario Bros. Wonder kind of looks really mediocre and not all that interesting? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:51, October 15, 2023 (UTC)

I'm neutral on it. The Talking Flowers are the worst part for me thus far. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:07, October 20, 2023 (UTC)
I am personally am not a fan of the mediocre level design, over reliance on really bad and forced gimmicks, and the absolutely abysmal enemy roster that is extremely boring and bland. The Talking Flowers are also kind of annoying and feel really corny, but they are not the worst part of the game in my opinion. What do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:36, October 20, 2023 (UTC)
I haven't had a thorough look into the game, but I definitely don't like the Talking Flowers either. The Poplins' inverted eye color is def creepy. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:25, October 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah understandable. I personally think the game had potential to be great, but it is bogged down by a mediocre and bad execution. You agree that ever since 2022, the Mario franchise has been going in a downwards spiral? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:31, October 20, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I think there is a bit of a downward spiral. WarioWare: Move It! is the only real thing to look forward to for me that doesn't count remakes. Too many remakes were announced in the Direct. Not against like being able to play Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon on Switch at all, like that one is justified, but it's just I feel they go overboard. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:50, October 20, 2023 (UTC)
The WarioWare game I am neutral towards, but I do agree they are pumping out way too many remakes (like did we really need four upcoming remakes announced around the same time?). Also, you agree that Princess Peach game looks boring and forgettable? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:00, October 21, 2023 (UTC)
The Princess Peach: Showtime! game looks like it's mainly for female appeal. However, if it's not a sequel to Super Princess Peach (as it appears to be of an entirely different genre), it technically constitutes as Peach having her own franchise instead of series. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:20, October 21, 2023 (UTC)
What would you say is the worst piece of official Mario media in recent times? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:03, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
SMB Movie, undoubtedly. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:11, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
I 100% agree as well, since that movie is easily my least favorite piece of official Mario media period (as it has little to no redeeming qualities and absolutely none of the Mario charm that even the other bad pieces of media could get right). Are you going to update the latest appearances for characters who appear in Super Mario Bros. Wonder? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:41, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
Not right now. I need to update various other things here first. Also, if it helps, I am active again. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:46, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair, do you mind doing it sometime later though? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:48, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
In what manner? Table or bullet list? If it's a bullet list or even a gallery embed showing images of the characters, I think you can probably implement that part yourself. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:50, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
I meant updating the latest appearance of various character pages to include stuff from Super Mario Bros. Wonder. It has to be done even if I personally hate that game. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:18, October 22, 2023 (UTC)

Nintendo Wiki

Nintendo Wiki was closed by you beause Miraheze is planning to close. This reasoning is not true, so would you reopen the wiki? Silicona (talk) 19:19, October 11, 2023 (UTC)

Since this comment, either the wiki was deleted or the server did not exist. Can you take action of the wiki on Meta? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silicona (talkcontribs)
Where would I take the action? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:29, October 22, 2023 (UTC)
Under the Wiki (un)deletions section on Stewards' noticeboard on Meta. Silicona (talk) 20:21, October 22, 2023 (UTC)

Rocky Wrench is back!

Have you heard that Rocky Wrench is making a new appearance in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:39, November 1, 2023 (UTC)

No, I haven't, but you sound pretty excited about it. :D Bawitdaba (talk) 22:53, November 1, 2023 (UTC)
Check my recent Rocky Wrench edits, what do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:56, November 2, 2023 (UTC)
Good job as usual! Bawitdaba (talk) 11:55, November 2, 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you think this new Rocky Wrench redesign will be permeant and should we update the Rocky Wrench page to reflect this? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:24, November 3, 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but the redesign should definitely be mentioned in the article. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:01, November 4, 2023 (UTC)
Mind doing it for me? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:15, November 4, 2023 (UTC)
Where would I add it? Bawitdaba (talk) 11:59, November 5, 2023 (UTC)
The beginning of the page that has the general information of Rocky Wrench. Also, will you update the appearance formatting for the other pages like you did with Monty Mole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:18, November 5, 2023 (UTC)
No need to ask me about updating the appearance of some article, as I've already been getting to that, like with the Rex article. I've been replaying Luigi's Mansion 3 as of late, hence why I've been a bit slow. I'd suggest you add that instead to the Rocky Wrench article because I think you have more of an idea on the words to add than what I do, but I can revise the sentence, if that makes sense. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:05, November 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah fair. Also, you agree Super Mario Bros. Wonder kind of sucks? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:02, November 5, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, so while I've not tried the game, the singing Piranha Plants already put me off, the world map looks too much like Kirby and The Forgotten Land (I generally dislike Kirby games in general), and the Bowser Castle battle reminds me of Wham Bam Rock's from Kirby Super Star Bawitdaba (talk) 20:36, November 5, 2023 (UTC)
You also agree that the level and enemy designs are also pretty bad (from what you seen)? Also the world map was like the only fun part of the game in my opinion, since everything else is incredibly flawed. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:05, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I'm not big on either of those two things you mentioned. Some enemies like the Rolla Koopas are ones I do like, however. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:14, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
Don't worry, Rolla Koopa is one of the better enemies in the game, but many of them range from mediocre and forgettable to some of the worst in the whole series. Which enemy in the game would you say is the worst? Also, have you seen the really weird edits the Super Mario Wiki has been recently doing to the Presenter page (since it is confirmed by Play Nintendo that the "Presenters" in the 3DS remake are just standard Monty Moles, even if they do have Presenter in their filename)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:27, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
No, I have not seen those edits. As for enemies, I hadn't taken much of a look into them, but I did see several generic-looking Thwomps that seemed unnecessary, whereas I would've preferred they would touch up more on enemy families shared between the Mario and Zelda games (e.g. Manhandlas, Stone Elevators from Zelda). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:28, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
Are you referring to the Konks? Yeah they are really generic and boring, plus Thwomps already appear on the game anyways. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:38, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the Konks. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:55, November 6, 2023 (UTC)
You agree that Super Mario Bros. Wonder was incredibly lazy in terms of the new enemy department? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:14, November 7, 2023 (UTC)
Don't know, truth be told. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:23, November 7, 2023 (UTC)

What happened to some wikis?

Hi @Bawitdaba:. What happened to some wikis? Like the Nintendo Wiki? What's the story? Darkrai18 (talk) 18:18, November 9, 2023 (UTC)

Though this wiki (which is someone else's) and a few other wikis are still open, I'm not as willing to host communities as I used to be. None of the content is lost, if that's what you're worried about. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:29, November 9, 2023 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: But does the wikis no longer exist or could it be adopted? Darkrai18 (talk) 21:35, November 9, 2023 (UTC)
You'll have to make a different one in their place. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:05, November 9, 2023 (UTC)

What now?

Since not much is happening that is interesting with the Mario series, should we focus on updating various enemy pages? Also, are you going to add an "Appearances in Other Media" section to the other Monty Mole species pages as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:21, November 30, 2023 (UTC)

Yes, just let me take my time on that. Thank you. Bawitdaba (talk) 18:46, November 30, 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for not being active on this wiki as much as I used to be. It is mainly due to me being busy with other wikis (mainly the Sonic Wiki Zone) and there not being much good Mario content in the past two years. Is that understandable on why I would get burned out from that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:53, December 8, 2023 (UTC)
I wasn't worried at all, and it's totally understandable. :) Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, December 9, 2023 (UTC)
What are you planning to do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:49, December 12, 2023 (UTC)
Well, there's this list of subjects that I'll probably have a go through for inspiration on articles to create. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:15, December 12, 2023 (UTC)

DK Wiki

But what about the biographies and files that I put on this site? ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 14:58, December 13, 2023 (UTC)

They can also be here. I can probably help you move the stuff all over. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:38, December 13, 2023 (UTC)

The deal

Our deal still continues. Here the biography as Vine Valley, Kremkroc Industries Inc. and Chimp Caverns for you to separate. But remember, write based on what I wrote to avoid plagiarism. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 01:28, December 21, 2023 (UTC)

Small request

Hey, do you mind adding the images from these edits please? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 08:22, December 24, 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, also do you agree it is sad how Sonic Superstars has a mole enemy but Super Mario Bros. Wonder has not even a single mole enemy period (not even something that is not related to the Monty Mole species, just nothing)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:20, January 2, 2024 (UTC)
I'm indifferent to the presence of moles in games, but yea, I think a Monty Mole affected by Wonder Effects would be cool. I don't know how that would look like, but hopefully that wouldn't be too scary in practice :P Bawitdaba (talk) 22:01, January 2, 2024 (UTC)
The game literally had airship levels and yet no Rocky Wrenches (which makes Super Mario Bros. Wonder ironically enough the first Mario game since Super Mario Galaxy to have airship levels and yet no Rocky Wrenches in them). Maybe they were too busy with that Rocky Wrench redesign that they used for the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC, but I do feel like the airships in Super Mario Bros. Wonder are easily the biggest offender in a lack of Monty Mole species stuff. Quick question, do you think the main image for the Rocky Wrench page should be their model from Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? Also, mind making a transparent image of the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Rocky Wrench model from here? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:12, January 3, 2024 (UTC)
I think we generally do artwork from latest appearance for infobox image, but if you want to do the Rocky Wrench from MK8 Deluxe, feel free to. Sure, I can make a transparent image; one sec. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:15, January 4, 2024 (UTC)

View Source

You can make me an administrator on this site? ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 13:45, Jaunary 6, 2024 (UTC)

Okay Bawitdaba (talk) 21:06, January 6, 2024 (UTC)
Question, do you agree that Mario has been lacking in quality since 2022-2023? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:04, January 7, 2024 (UTC)
You asked me before, and my response is yes. Bawitdaba (talk) 06:19, January 7, 2024 (UTC)
Of the bad Mario products released recently, which would you say is the worst one? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 08:13, January 7, 2024 (UTC)
The film Bawitdaba (talk) 13:04, January 7, 2024 (UTC)

The Nintendo Wiki

Hello @Bawitdaba:.
Since you've abandoned the Nintendo Wiki, I was wondering if you'd let me improve its overall design. But to do that, I'd need you to reopen the wiki and give me some rights to modify the css.
Best regards. Darkrai18 (talk) 19:11, January 14, 2024 (UTC)


So I decided to create this page, and it'd be great if it wasn't just me editing the page. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:17, February 3, 2024 (UTC)

Nice hearing from you. I could definitely take a look (it's nice to hear the speed of Miraheze has increased). I've just been very depressed as of late (though not to the worst extent) and have difficulty with self-motivation in such a state. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:12, February 3, 2024 (UTC)
I can relate. I haven't been the same since I lost my dog (on October 31st, 2023 by the way) myself. Anyways, I created the Bowletta page as well. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:44, February 3, 2024 (UTC)
I might create the Monty Mole (Positive) page someday, but I was wondering how can I create proposals (similar to the ones on the Super Mario Wiki)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 07:03, February 4, 2024 (UTC)
There are no proposals on this wiki. Considering how small the community is, there probably is no need for them either if you wanted to make such an article, so long as you abide by global policy. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:58, February 4, 2024 (UTC)
I guess I can make a discussion on that character's talk page, is that cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:05, February 4, 2024 (UTC)
Sure Bawitdaba (talk) 13:23, February 5, 2024 (UTC)
What do you think of the discussion I made on the Presenter talk page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:58, February 6, 2024 (UTC)
I'm unsure what to add because I haven't taken a look into it, but I think that they're different, namely due to the designs, but otherwise have the same role. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:41, February 6, 2024 (UTC)

Help Getting New Editors

Hey, is it cool if I make a post on the Fandom Mario Wiki for people to join and help out on this wiki (since as of right now it is relatively small). Also, sorry for not making many edits recently, I have just been busy doing other stuff and the Mario franchise has barely released anything interesting or good since 2021 (with maybe some exceptions here and there). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:35, February 10, 2024 (UTC)

I don't think they'd allow that, nor would it amount to much, I don't think. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:57, February 10, 2024 (UTC)
I did find out that Rocky Wrench has concept art in Super Mario RPG, should I probably add this to the unused appearances section sometime? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:22, February 10, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, you could. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:25, February 11, 2024 (UTC)

Nintendo Wiki

Hello @Bawitdaba:, can we talk about administrators rights on Nintendo Wiki?
Thanks in advance. Darkrai18 (talk) 11:05, February 14, 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bawitdaba. I am 1108-Kiju, a Steward. Add some brief background here; They initiated the election with a wiki and requested a decision on SR, I advised them to contact you here. It would be helpful if you could make a decision about the election. Best regards, --1108-Kiju (talk) 15:02, February 14, 2024 (UTC)

@1108-Kiju: I guess so. For the most part, I have moved on from editing and creating wikis on Miraheze, although if others are going to do it, I'd personally recommend that they reformat the entire wiki. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:28, February 15, 2024 (UTC)
@Eeyore the Iowan Goat: That was my intention, but as I didn't have the rights, it was impossible. Darkrai18 (talk) 17:19, February 15, 2024 (UTC)

Subject origins

You sort of agree that the Super Mario Wiki has been recently using the subject origin sections in incorrect ways (since it is mainly to show what real life animal/plant/object/etc the character is based on, not if they are comparable to another existing enemy (since that is what the comparable thing is for)). A good example of this is the wiki saying that Monty was intentionally derived from Rocky Wrench (despite the fact that the both of them are from two completely unrelated species and their only similarity is a vaguely similar attack pattern), which I feel like that and the Mario Portal incorrectly referring to Monty as Rocky Wrench might make the wiki think the Undergrunt species is related to Monty Mole (even though that is not the case). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:44, March 2, 2024 (UTC)

I haven't been as focused on particular examples. However, I definitely have my gripes with the "derived subjects" parameter, as there's already enough overlap between "relatives" and "comparable." Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 22:02, March 2, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I feel like that section should mainly be for what real life thing the enemy is based on rather than just being "Comparable 2.0," especially since it implies certain enemies that are not related to each are in fact related to each other (Monty and Rocky Wrench probably being the most egregious example). Also, sorry that I have not really been active on Mariopedia as much lately, it is mainly due to focus on other stuff (such as icebergs, YouTube, and other wikis like Sonic Wiki Zone) as well as the lack of any good Mario news in the past two years (as most of the stuff we got in 2022-2023 was either mediocre or downright abysmal, with very few exceptions). Also, I was wondering if you wanted to help out on this robot villain iceberg I am currently working on? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:12, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on icebergs. It's also okay, considering I have been not the most active myself. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:23, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
It is not too complicated, all you have to really do is just propose random robot villains from various media onto the iceberg and I can add them onto it myself. Here is a link to the iceberg if you are curious about it. Also, you agree the Mario franchise had quite a heavy downfall in quality since 2022 (as well as stuff such as The Super Mario Bros. Movie and Super Mario Bros. Wonder being heavily overrated despite the many flaws and issues they have, as well as the constant over saturation of remakes and not much else with this year)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:42, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
Oh yeah the remakes have been utterly excessive. The enhanced ports be half the price of original releases, but they making them the same price as like the original titles. So lazy. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:43, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
I know right, nobody asked for a Mario vs. Donkey Kong remake that looks like something straight out of the Wii U. You also agree many recent Mario products have also been incredibly overrated as well (primarily The Super Mario Bros. Movie and Super Mario Bros. Wonder, though they are not the only exceptions)? Which would you say is the most overrated? Also, what do you think of the robot villain iceberg I made? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:52, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
SMB Wonder or SMB Movie is what I'd deem the most overrated. So the iceberg basically has the common villains at the top to least common at the bottom? Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:53, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
I 100% agree, I am wondering what your stance on those two products being overrated is (or do you just want to hear my opinion)? Also, the iceberg mainly goes from more well known robot villains towards the top to more obscure robot villains towards the bottom. I am curious on what robot villains you would like to propose for the iceberg? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:19, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
I have no suggestions for iceberg, sorry. I feel the aesthetic of SMB Wonder is too bright and has an art style that's mainly suited to Eastern audiences rather than globally (at least that's how I personally see it). Some Wonder effects are just too much for me, like the singing Piranha Plants. Aside from points about SMB Movie we've gone over before, I've heard they didn't credit Grant Kirkhope for the DK Rap (cold move right there). Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 03:23, March 3, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah the art style for Super Mario Bros. Wonder makes it feel like a mobile game, and the Wonder Flower effects are mostly just throwing random garbage at the wall to see what sticks (usually making the levels even worse when activating them), but there are some other issues as well such as the awful bland level design that is incredibly downgraded compared to what we had in the New Super Mario Bros. games (mostly to make the awful Wonder Flower gimmicks), easily the worst enemy roster of any mainline Mario title period (with numerous recurring staples being not i ley absent in favor of only the really basic enemies (with very few exceptions) and the new enemies either being really mediocre and forgettable with nothing that makes them standout, or some of the worst enemies in the entire franchise), only having two pretty damn bad bosses, the airship levels easily being the worst airships in the entire franchise, and the last few levels of the game (the last three before the final boss) being some of the most poorly designed and unfun levels in the entire franchise (with the last level especially just being random garbage thrown at you with no rhyme or reason, kind of like the rest of the game). It sucks since Super Mario Bros. Wonder had potential to be an amazing game, but what we got was an abysmal gimmicky mess that is incredibly bland and annoying to play through (not to mention how some people act like it is the best Mario game of all time, when in reality it is easily one of the worst ones). I seriously do not get why Super Mario Bros. Wonder gets all the praise and attention for being a pile of overrated garbage while Sonic Superstars gets hated on despite it having far more positives than Super Mario Bros. Wonder ever had. What do you personally think on all of this? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:33, March 3, 2024 (UTC)

I think you have a very good way of describing things. While I haven't analyzed Super Mario Bros. Wonder to the extent that you have (I've decided to pass on it), I do think that it does feel like things being thrown at a wall until they can find something that sticks. THIS is why fangame developers matter: eventually, something is going to hit the point of the same ideas being regurgitated and eaten again by the same people, unless they are willing to expand their creativity, including to people who may know the franchise EVEN MORE than they do. Throwing something until it sticks never ever does it for me; one has to have a proper basis or inspiration, like Super Mario Sunshine is an inspired and great game. I haven't played Sonic Superstars, but I have seen ads for it. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 04:43, March 5, 2024 (UTC)

I think that is a pretty good perspective on things, I also heard rumors that the team who made Super Mario Bros. Wonder had ideas for a sequel, which concerns me since I feel like this will just lead to something like Super Mario Galaxy 2 where they do not improve any of the flaws the original game had and just do more of the same (and considering how AWFUL Super Mario Bros. Wonder is, I could imagine them making the game even worse by having more barebones and terrible level design and still having a lack of returning enemies in favor of awful new ones that look like they were AI generated). Do you agree that a sequel to Super Mario Bros. Wonder would likely just be as poorly made as the original game? One last thing I wanted to note on is if you agree that Super Mario Bros. Wonder is way too overrated and overhyped for a game that is mediocre at best and is basically just watered down level design and enemies in favor for awful poorly executed gimmicks? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:40, March 6, 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm in agreement. A sequel does sound as if it'd be in the line of Super Mario Bros. Wonder. Not the first time this has occurred in the Super Mario series, as there's been Super Mario Maker receiving a follow-up, Super Mario Galaxy receiving a follow up. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 17:57, March 6, 2024 (UTC)

Question, mind suggesting a Monty Mole species-related page or section of a page I could help rewrite? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:56, March 14, 2024 (UTC)

I don't have any suggestions. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:25, March 14, 2024 (UTC)
What enemy species pages do you plan on updating and rewriting in the future? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:27, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
Unsure at the moment. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 21:46, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
You agree Super Mario Bros. Wonder was pretty lacking in terms of enemy content (as many of the new enemies are boring and uninteresting and there are barely any returning enemies (with the few who did reappear being the typical generic picks))? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:56, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
We've been over this before. Yes. Roller blades Koopas are epic though. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 23:46, March 27, 2024 (UTC)
What do you think of this theory that I made? I thought it was a pretty interesting perspective on why Monty had similarities to Rocky Wrench despite being unrelated to them. Also, are you cool with uploading the Morty Mole pages from volume 46 of Super Mario-kun (they are in chapter 4 by the way)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:22, April 11, 2024 (UTC)
Where's a link to the images? Also, I found the theory a bit confusing, but it could just be me. Hope you don't mind I've been slow at editing. Just... focusing on distant projects. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 11:30, April 11, 2024 (UTC)
The page numbers are pages 57-64 in volume 46 by the way. Are you cool with uploading them? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:25, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
You'll have to show me where they are. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 16:04, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
What do you mean by "where they are?" I am a bit confused on that question. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:42, April 19, 2024 (UTC)
The images for me to upload. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 01:36, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
That Internet Archive thing that had all of those Super Mario-kun scans from volumes 1-57, remember? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:53, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I do. Because it may not seem as fair use, I don't want to upload entire pages, but I'm willing to do individual panels from the pages. Which ones? I've extracted the pages for you to review here. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 16:41, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I guess that is fair, I mainly wanted these pages for a future YouTube video I was working on. Also, I was wondering if you could upload the images that were uploaded onto the Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench gallery on the Super Mario Wiki recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:21, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
Well, you can download the pages above. Are you not able to add them? Show me which ones? Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 17:22, April 20, 2024 (UTC)

I actually only wanted to use these pages for a future video I was planning on making, so thanks for your help. I guess the only image I can think of that could be added to this wiki is the Spike Eel for the Spike Eel page, but I do think you would have to combine both pages to get the full image. What do you think about the Mario manga? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:32, April 20, 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. I haven't read the Mario manga (I'm more knowledgeable of the games & I can't read Japanese). Where are your YouTube videos? Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 17:40, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
On my YouTube channel (same name as my account name here). Wanna update some enemy pages someday? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:48, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe. I'm just doing lots of personal projects at the moment. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 17:52, April 20, 2024 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on this fact I found on Supper Mario Broth? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:48, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
Truth be told, I think I agree with it, but I know NSMBFan probably wanted the two articles separate for a reason. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 19:54, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
To be perfectly honest, Mario enemy terminology has been pretty inconsistent and confusing the more you look into it, do you agree? Also, you agree that the confusing nature of most Mario enemies doesn’t really apply for the Badniks from Sonic? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:18, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I agree to both. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 23:23, April 22, 2024 (UTC)
Also, have you seen how the Super Mario Wiki is now treating the Undergunt species like they are 100% related to the Monty Mole species again with no proof whatsoever? Do you agree this is one of the dumbest things the Super Mario Wiki has done? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:59, May 5, 2024 (UTC)
No comment, sorry. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:38, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
You cool if I make a post on the fandom Mario Wiki discussing how stupid the Super Mario Wiki is for making this decision? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:46, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe some others will have some more insight than what I have. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:49, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
I know NSMB fan would certainly hate what the Super Mario Wiki is doing right now lol. Also, I was wondering if we should merge Maw-Ray with Ugani (since Mario Kart Tour called Ugani a Maw-Ray)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:57, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:59, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
I can see it tbh, as it isn’t some BS that the Mario Portal made up. Also, outside of that stupid excuse the Super Mario Wiki made to randomly consider Monty a variant of Rocky Wrench, I was wondering what your thoughts were on the proposal that they made where they think that Monty Mole is a variant of Rocky Wrench rather than a relative (I am taking it with a grain of salt considering the decision they made with Monty)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:06, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
I think they're relatives, since their relation to one another seems to be done interchangeably. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 03:07, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
So is it best to just keep Monty Mole and Rocky Wrenches as relatives like we have done so in the past? Also, what enemy page would you like to rewrite next? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:11, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I think keep them as-is for now. As for enemy pages, I just pick a random one that needs to be redone (with outdated templates, categories, and of the sort). Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 03:33, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I sort of do the same thing sometimes as well. What enemy page do you wanna revamp right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:34, May 6, 2024 (UTC)
I'll think about it. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 12:29, May 6, 2024 (UTC)

Mario Wiki in Brazilian Portuguese

I'm planning to open Wiki Mario to link to this to replace the Donkey Kong website and I need your help. But I'm preparing some things before the opening and sending them to you. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 13:02, May 10, 2024

Okay, show me. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 16:17, May 18, 2024 (UTC)
@Eeyore the Iowan Goat: Here are some materials to get started.

{| style="width:100%; border-radius: 10px; background: #ff130c; margin-bottom: 5px;" | <div class="roundtop" style="background: #ff130c; text-align: center; border:2px solid #008700; padding:3px; vertical-align:top; border-radius: 10px 10px 10px 10px; "><span style="color #ffff07;" class="nounderlines">{{#if:{{{cabeçalho|}}}|'''{{{cabeçalho}}}'''}}</span></div> |- |bgcolor="#ffffff" style="border-radius: 10px; padding:5px;"|<div style="text-align:center; color:#ffffff"> {{#if:{{{cabeçalho|}}}|{{{texto}}}}} </div> |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <nowiki>{{cabeçalho
| cabeçalho = Teste 123
| texto = Exemplo

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#930300; padding:1px; border:2px solid #ff130c; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#ff130c" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Nome Inteiro|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Nome Inteiro''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Nome Inteiro|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Gênero|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Gênero''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Gênero|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Lado|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Lado''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Lado|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Espécie|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Espécie''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Espécie|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Raça|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Espécie''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Raça|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Raça|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Espécie''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Raça|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Terra Natal|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Terra Natal''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Terra Natal|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Terra Natal|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Terra Natal''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Terra Natal|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aliados|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aliados''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aliados|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Inimigos|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Inimigos''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Inimigos|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Estado|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Estado''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Estado|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aparições|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aparições''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aparições|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Dublador|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#ff130c; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Dublador''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Dublador|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Personagem |nome= |image= |Nome Inteiro= |Gênero= |Lado= |Espécie= |Raça= |Terra Natal= |Aliados= |Inimigos= |Estado= |Aparições= |Dublador= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#c29800; padding:1px; border:2px solid ffe30a; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#ffce1c" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Lugar de Origem|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#c29800; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Lugar de Origem''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Lugar de Origem|}}} |- {{#if:{{{Subspécies|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#c29800; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Subspécies''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Subspécies|}}} |- {{#if:{{{Aliados|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#c29800; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aliados''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aliados|}}} |- {{#if:{{{Inimigos|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#c29800; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Inimigos''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Inimigos|}}} |- {{#if:{{{Aparições|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#c29800; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aparições''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aparições|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Espécies |nome= |image= |Lugar de Origem= |Subspécies= |Aliados= |Inimigos= |Aparições= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#0019a7; padding:1px; border:2px solid #ff130c; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#0d32ff" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Localização Maior|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#0d32ff; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Localização Maior''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Localização Maior|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Capital|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#0d32ff; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Capital''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Capital|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Regente|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#0d32ff; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Regente''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Regente|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Nativos|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#0d32ff; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Nativos''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Nativos|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aparições|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#0d32ff; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aparições''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aparições|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Mundos |nome= |image= |Localização Maior= |Capital= |Regente= |Nativos= |Aparições= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#023800; padding:1px; border:2px solid #067a00; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#067a00" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Objetivo|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#067a00; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Objetivo''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Objetivo|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Usuários|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#067a00; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Usuários''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Usuários|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aparições|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#067a00; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aparições''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aparições|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Itens |nome= |image= |Objetivo= |Usuários= |Aparições= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#511451; padding:1px; border:2px solid #8e238e; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#8e238e" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Desenvolvedoras|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Desenvolvedoras''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Desenvolvedoras|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Publicadoras|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Publicadoras''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Publicadoras|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Diretores|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Diretores''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Diretores|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Produtores|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Produtores''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Produtores|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Projetistas|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Projetistas''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Projetistas|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Compositores|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Compositores''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Compositores|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Plataformas|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Plataformas''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Plataformas|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Lançamento|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Lançamento''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Lançamento|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Gênero|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Gênero''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Gênero|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Modo|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#8e238e; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Modo''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Modo|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Jogos |nome= |image= |Desenvolvedoras= |Publicadoras= |Diretores= |Produtores= |Projetistas= |Plataformas= |Lançamento= |Gênero= |Modo= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{| border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:236px; table-layout:fixed; background:#505050; padding:1px; border:2px solid #9b9b9b; {{Roundy|14px}}; font-size:81%; line-height:1.5;" | align="center" bgcolor="#9b9b9b" style="font-size:130%; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#FFFFFF;" | '''{{{nome|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''' |- valign="top" | align="center" style="background:white; {{Roundy|7px}}; color:#191919;"| {{{image|Nenhuma imagem disponivel}}} |- valign="top" |- {{#if:{{{Líder|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Líder''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Desenvolvedoras|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Membros|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Membros''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Membros|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Bases|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Bases''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Bases|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aliados|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aliados''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aliados|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Inimigos|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Inimigos''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Inimigos|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Espécies|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Espécies''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Espécies|}}} |}} |- {{#if:{{{Aparições|}}}|{{!}} style="background:#9b9b9b; text-align: center; color:#FFFFFF; {{Roundt|7px}};" width="75pt" {{!}} '''Aparições''': {{!}} style="background:white; text-align: center; color:#191919; {{Roundb|7px}};" {{!}} {{{Aparições|}}} |}} |- valign="top" |}<noinclude> ==Exemplo de uso== '''Codigo:'''<BR> <pre> {{Jogos |nome= |image= |Líder= |Membros= |Bases= |Aliados= |Inimigos= |Espécies= |Aparições= }}</pre> </noinclude>

{|style="infobox" style="text-align: center; font-size: 88%; line-height: 1.5em; -moz-border-radius:5px; border-radius:5px; border:1px solid green; width: 257px;" |- |colspan="2" style="-moz-border-radius:5px; border-radius:5px; text-align: center; font-size: 5; font-weight: bold; color: #000000; background-color: #ff0000"| <font size="4.5" color="White"> Sobre o Arquivo {{!}}-}}{{#if:{{{Assunto da imagem<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} class="infoboxlabel" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}" {{!}} '''Descrição''' {{!}} class="infoboxcell" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}; {{{css|}}}" {{!}} {{{Assunto da imagem|}}} {{!}}- |}}{{#if:{{{Onde encontrou a imagem<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} class="infoboxlabel" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}" {{!}} '''Fonte''' {{!}} class="infoboxcell" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}; {{{css|}}}" {{!}} {{{Onde encontrou a imagem|}}} {{!}}- |}}{{#if:{{{Artista<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} class="infoboxlabel" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}" {{!}} '''Artista''' {{!}} class="infoboxcell" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}; {{{css|}}}" {{!}} {{{Artista|}}} {{!}}- |}}{{#if:{{{Descreva as edições, se houver<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} class="infoboxlabel" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}" {{!}} '''Editado''' {{!}} class="infoboxcell" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}; {{{css|}}}" {{!}} {{{Descreva as edições, se houver|}}} {{!}}- |}}{{#if:{{{Outras versões (use o link do arquivo)<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| {{!}}- {{!}} class="infoboxlabel" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}" {{!}} '''Outras Versões''' {{!}} class="infoboxcell" style="{{#if:{{{3|}}}|background: #{{{3}}}|}}; {{{css|}}}" {{!}} {{{Outras versões (use o link do arquivo)|}}} {{!}}- |}} |} <noinclude><pre> {{sobre o arquivo |Assunto da imagem= |Onde encontrou a imagem= |Artista= |Descreva as edições, se houver= |Outras versões (use o link do arquivo)= }} </pre> </noinclude>

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I send the title and wallpaper image to the website that you will create for me. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 15:00, May 10, 2024

I'd ask you to first request your wiki's creation before having me get started on this. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 18:11, May 18, 2024 (UTC)
@Eeyore the Iowan Goat: I don't know how to do that. It's not the same as Fandom. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 15:17, May 10, 2024
Okay, I'll get to it, one sec. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 18:18, May 18, 2024 (UTC)
It says here you have to request it. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 22:20, May 18, 2024 (UTC)
@Eeyore the Iowan Goat: I was going to request it, but said it like this:Your email is not confirmed. To request wikis, please confirm an email first. It seems that my username is only used to edit and send files. ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 22:12, May 10, 2024
@Eeyore the Iowan Goat:Here the title and wallpapper.

ChristopherPAraujo (talk) 22:29, May 10, 2024

Then add an email under Special:Preferences's email options, check your email for verification, click the link, and then the email will be there. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 02:22, May 19, 2024 (UTC)

Monty Mole in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

Hey, do you mind helping add the unused Monty Mole/Mega Mole info from Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door to their pages for me (including the concept art)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:41, May 24, 2024 (UTC)

Post links Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 00:11, May 25, 2024 (UTC)
Here and here. While I do find this info cool, I am still not in good terms with the Super Mario Wiki after their bold claim of Monty being a "Rocky Wrench variant," is that fair? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:19, May 25, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I guess that's fair. They're relatives, in my opinion. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 01:40, May 25, 2024 (UTC)
I personally think that the Undergrunt species are just a bunch of original mole enemies separate and unrelated to the Monty Mole species (as if they were meant to be related, they would have likely had some tie to the species via their Japanese or filenames like what the Bats from Super Mario Galaxy had). I would not say that Monty is a relative to Rocky Wrench, as the two share no connections beyond similar attack patterns, and not to mention how no sources ever stated them to be related to Rocky Wrenches (besides the English Mario Portal, which we have established to be an unreliable source for enemy naming due to its amount of errors and misnames), especially since we already do have a confirmed Monty Mole relative from a mainline game. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:56, May 25, 2024 (UTC)
Ok excuse me for butting in but this has been bugging me and I wanted to ask. You keep saying every chance you get that Super Mario Wiki considers Undergrunts and Monty Moles related, doesn't? It only lists them as "comparable", which just means "similar", not necessarily "related". Am I missing something here? Hewbert P. Edia (talk) 00:48, May 26, 2024 (UTC)
Meanwhile, for the past 2 years, I have literally no idea what's going on. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 03:06, May 26, 2024 (UTC)
Well they did act like the Mario Portal misnaming Monty as Rocky Wrench was a legitimate alternate name for them (even though it is not, as the Mario Portal has been proven to be unreliable due to how many errors and misnames that site has similarly to the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia), but the main reason is this somewhat recent edit, where they for some reason made a bold claim of Monty being the exact same as Rocky Wrench other than Japanese and filename (which is completely false, as Monty has no connections to Rocky Wrench beyond just a similar attack pattern, and no English sources (other than the proven to be unreliable Mario Portal) ever even made any connection of them being related to Rocky Wrench and simply just generically referred to them as moles. If anything, the Japanese and filenames for Monty having no connections to Rocky Wrenches further proves that the two species are unrelated to each other). The wiki also added Undergrunt-related images to the variants section of the Rocky Wrench page (which is stupid since like I stated previously, the Undergrunt species are an unrelated mole species). Anyways, I hope that this clears some confusion for you @Hewbert P. Edia MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:08, May 26, 2024 (UTC)

Enemy types

Hey Eeyore, I was wondering if you were cool with doing some more enemy page edits sometime? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:55, June 2, 2024 (UTC)

I could, but I sometimes struggle with being overwhelmed by other unrelated things. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 12:40, June 2, 2024 (UTC)
Fair, wanna focus on updating the pages for each specific species one at a time? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:47, June 7, 2024 (UTC)
Well I did a couple the other day. Is that a good start? Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 13:17, June 7, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, but I wanted to do some more since I don't want this wiki to die. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:22, June 7, 2024 (UTC)
I'll make sure it doesn't die. Don't worry. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 18:23, June 7, 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, what actions are you going to do to help keep this wiki alive? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:20, June 13, 2024 (UTC)
Well I do keep an eye on it most days and will block anyone trying to edit. I did edit some of the articles just some days ago and can do it again when I can designate a time slot for myself. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 19:27, June 13, 2024 (UTC)
Why would you block anyone try to edit, isn't that kind of the point of a wiki (unless of course those people are vandalizing or something)? For how much I do not like the Super Mario Wiki, one thing that it has above this wiki is being a lot more up to date with current media (probably due to how small this wiki is compared to it). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:11, June 13, 2024 (UTC)
Whoops, I meant vandalize or spam the wiki. Sorry for the miscommunication. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 21:41, June 13, 2024 (UTC)
Yeah that makes more sense tbh. Also, have you heard that Monty Mole is returning in the upcoming Super Mario Party Jamboree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 08:43, June 19, 2024 (UTC)
I hadn't, but that makes sense, considering Monty Mole is playable in Super Mario Party. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 13:34, June 19, 2024 (UTC)

As new user

Is me, ChristopherPAraujo. Can you make me an administrator of this wiki? ChristopherAraujo (talk) 16:13, June 19, 2024 (UTC)

Sure Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 20:04, June 19, 2024 (UTC)

Most Overrated Mario Game?

Hi, what is in your opinion the most overrated Mario game? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 07:13, July 12, 2024 (UTC)

I'm unsure. Eeyore the Iowan Goat (talk) 12:06, July 12, 2024 (UTC)