Talk:List of misconceptions

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I know some of us here really don't like the Super Mario Wiki (or at least want its earlier incarnation to return, such as me wanting it to essentially be like it was in '07), but isn't calling them out in an article going a bit too far? Bawitdaba (talk) 11:37, October 16, 2022 (UTC)

Probably, you do make a good point. I'd say there might be some ways to reword it, I mainly used their name as that was where the misconception originated from, I do think a workaround is maybe we could change it to "some think" instead of "The Super Mario Wiki states" to make it seem less like we're calling out anyone in particular. Also, I don't mind the site itself, I mainly think the community has gotten corrupt over the years. HannahMontanaFan (talk) 12:21, October 16, 2022 (UTC)

I guess this does somewhat feel slightly offtopic, but I do remember doing my best to fight off the corruption (and that was part of why I questioned the existence of Mariopedia at first -- tho I always had understanding that it was based on the community's older days, which I myself wanted it to return to, like having the NES/SNES vibes of an older Mario fansite rather than this barebones vector design that been replacing it over the years). Just when I was about to do my ultimate move -- presenting good case for allowing a fraction (about 20%) of The Legend of Zelda on the wiki, citing the enemy families, even a Thwomp notable member literally being a boss in Oracle of Seasons, among several other things (like how several Zelda games were not "cameos" by their definition like with Captain Rainbow -- actual guest appearances) -- all this while I was trying to add more Smash Bros. coverage to strengthen it against people who were trying to gut the SSB coverage. However, I was permabanned (they used offsite issues as an excuse -- long story -- and it definitely was a backroom deal) because they didn't want that identity & are explicitly trying to make it just about Mario because "oh SmashWiki can handle this, NWiki can handle this, ZW can handle this". That most certainly is corruption right there. The lesson is that group mentality of consolidated communities is too powerful for one person to overcome. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:10, October 16, 2022 (UTC)

I can explain some of my stuff to. My first ban was noting an underground city from this poster because I thought it was notable that it mentioned an underground city where the Monty Mole species resided in. Of course I got temporarily banned for noting it. I also tried giving reasons on why Mega Monty Mole and big Monty Mole should be split, but their reasons were just... honestly I forgot, but it was said on the big Monty Mole talk page. I find it stupid since it is clear that big Monty Kole and Mega Monty Mole are different, as the former are just naturally occurring enlarged Monty Moles that appear as enemies, while the latter was a singular Monty Mole who Kamek enlarged and appears as a boss. Besides both being enlarged Monty Moles, they have absolutely nothing in common. Big Monty Mole even has different names in other languages to that of Mega Monty Mole, but the excuse was the names were "too generic" even though they are still different and further prove that they are separate. In some older arguments on the Rocky Wrench talk page, people discussed whether or not Rocky Wrench is a Monty Mole or turtle. But it seems like Rocky Wrench is both, since they were called both and likely were more mole-like New Super Mario Bros. Wii onwards sort of as a revival of the species (like when Galoomba and Chargin Chuck returned in Super Mario 3D World). I also found the irony how the wiki originally didn’t consider Rocky Wrench a Monty Mole species or relative, yet treated the Undergunts from Super Mario Galaxy like they were 100% meant to be Monty Mole species, despite the former having so much evidence on them being Monty Mole species, while the latter has absolutely no reliable or official sources that say that they are Monty Mole species. Speaking of the Undergrunt species, the last proposal I made before being banned was a proposal regarding if the Undergrunt species are related to Monty Moles or not and surprisingly a lot of people said yes. The reasons for the Undergrunt species being Monty Mole species were really vague at best since they said that they had so many similarities and look like Monty Moles. But they don’t though? Undergrunts have completely different attack patterns to that of Monty Moles and their designs look nothing like Monty Mole. I think the only reason why people say they are the same species is because of them being in the main series. Lastly, after my ban I found the wiki did some other stupid stuff like treating Mario Portal as a reliable source for names (which it isn’t), and saying that the sludge balls that Petey puked were the exact same as Glorpedos (which they aren’t). Anyways, did I miss any Monty Mole species stuff that the wiki got wrong? Sorry if this seemed a bit too harsh. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:08, October 16, 2022 (UTC)

Not going to lie, I'm still in favor of Mario Portal as a source (but I won't insist certain things are, like Rocky Wrench thing for Mario Galaxy) -- it is on an official website from Nintendo of Japan & mistakes do happen, like several in Prima guides, also officially licensed. And I've heard of Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (I think that was it) that had two enemy names on the scoreboard. I'm also not happy about some articles like Moofish back to Mogyo (in response to the disagreement, I decided to port over my article to Nintendo Wiki with the Moofish name intact). Some would see Mariopedia as the primary resource whereas Nintendo Wiki as the secondary). But this isn't my wiki & I'm outnumbered 2 to 1 on this, so. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:34, October 16, 2022 (UTC)

The Japanese one is probably fine (like with the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia). It is just that English translation version that is unreliable and blatantly wrong in most aspects. It wasn’t just a couple of errors, there was just so much of them referring to enemies by the wrong names or calling them completely separate species (especially with the Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Land 2 sections). That same section with Mogyo being called Moofish had plenty of inconstant names like either referring to enemies as generic English names or just using the Japanese names. And with the Super Mario Galaxy section in particular, it tends to treat separate species as the exact same as other separate species (such as the aforementioned Monty being called Rocky Wrench and also Puffer Fish being called a Spiny Cheep Cheep). You should really discuss this with HannaMontanaFan to since he helped with discovering that the Mario Portal is illegitimate. Also any questions about the previous paragraph I written? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:04, October 16, 2022 (UTC)