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::::::::::::Also, you agree that [[https://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:List_of_implied_characters#Monty_Mole_king this decision made right here] was extremely stupid and it felt like the Super Mario Wiki team not reading the manga and making assumptions? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 05:18, April 14, 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Sure! I've got a couple ideas ready. Also, I honestly think that it's stupid that they treat the King Monty Mole as an implied character as he is literally shown in the comics. I honestly thought that page was reserved for characters we NEVER see but now they're using it for these reasons. They just get dumber and dumber, in fact I heard that if stuff like this keeps up, the SMW will get so unreliable that it will be viewed as a joke that people don't take seriously. [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 03:10, April 17, 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Also, what is with Super Mario Galaxy and having more enemy misconceptions than any other Mario game (stuff like people saying the Undergrunts are species of Monty Mole, despite there being little to no evidence on that being true). Also what are the top five worst Mario Galaxy enemy misconceptions? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 15:50, April 22, 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Also, wanna help add more misconceptions soon? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 23:26, April 26, 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah I agree, like they recently renamed Prince Froggy to Froggy (which is actually a nickname and not his actual name, I remember it was renamed once before in early 2015, I ended up changing it back not long before the final ban but it seems as though they changed it back almost as if they can’t understand the concept between a full name, a nickname, and a new/old name). I do feel the movie could’ve added more enemies (although aside from that I enjoyed it), maybe we will see some more enemies in the sequel. That'd have to do with the Super Mario Wiki thinking everything is oddly connected for some reason. Like they claim Undergrunts and Monty Moles are connected despite no evidence suggesting this, the worst would have to be the Undergrunt/Monty Mole one that was mentioned, they claimed that the Spiders in the game are Scuttlebugs, oh oh and we can’t forget the Bats being Swoopers. Initially, they also had the Crabber page merged with the generic crab page as well (this is understandable as they were simply known as "Crabs" in the first game and the Crabber name debuted in SMG2). [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 23:09, April 30, 2023 (UTC)
== King Choropū ==
How do you feel about the fact that the Super Mario Wiki treated the King Choropū’s mention in volume 5 of Super Mario-kun as just them referring to Bowser, you think it is just another moment of Super Mario Wiki not understanding the manga? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 20:08, April 29, 2023 (UTC)
:I think that it is a dumb mistake on their part. Like they really don’t understand basic translations. This reminds me of the time where they thought that the Fire Chains mentioned in the MK8D Prima Guide were the Rings of Fire despite the fact that the guide was actually referring to the Firebars (with Fire Chain apparently being an alternate name for them). [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 23:09, April 30, 2023 (UTC)
::I feel like the point of the different Super Mario Galaxy enemies was likely due to them wanting to make different unrelated enemy species instead of just using the established ones (for example, the Undergrunts were likely made to be just a separate mole enemy specifically for the Mario Galaxy games with no real major connections to the Monty Mole species (unlike something like Ragumo, which is a confirmed relative to the Monty Mole species)). However, I feel like people on the internet, plus the wikis at the time really wanted to insist that these Mario Galaxy enemies were either related or the exact same as the established species (that is why that stupid Undergrunts being Monty Moles misconception exists). Yeah, it seems like the Super Mario Wiki loves merging stuff for the sake of it and trying to act like it is the exact same as an entirely separate thing (this is most prevalent with the Glorpedo and Bomp pages, since the wiki insists that these generic objects are the exact same as named enemies from the exact same game). Any other examples you can think of the Super Mario Wiki not understanding simple stuff like this (and the King Choropū stuff)? Also, I found this German Mario guide on Internet Archive that I think says Rocky Wrench is a Koopa? [https://archive.org/details/super-mario-power/page/14/mode/2up here is a link to it], just tell me what this guide is trying to say (you could use a translating app and copy the text down if you need to) and tell me what you think about it. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 00:33, May 1, 2023 (UTC)
::Here's the translation, I'm not sure what it's trying to get at since the Rocky Wrenches literally have shells in the game (and the artwork): "Ever since he lost his shell, this koopa tortoise has been throwing wrenches. Bowser likes this!". Anyway, one example I can think of is that they still cite the English Mario Portal as a reliable source without realizing that about over half the names used on there were taken from their site (yet they immediately picked up the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia doing just that and disavowed them for it). I also hate how they literally favor the NSMBU Prima Guide above every other source despite it being the most dubious of the Prima Guides, heck, for the Lava Rocks, they use the "Volcanic Debris" name from the NSMB2 Prima Guide as their name despite that only being used in said guide, and them not resembling debris in most games (such as SM3DW, MKW, MK8, MK8D, etc. where they're called Lava Fireballs). For the MKSC section, they referred to them as Lava Boulders (as stated in the Prima Guide for that game) yet referred to them as "Volcanic Debris" in the MKW section (refusing to acknowledge the MKW Prima Guide) despite them never being referred to as such in said game, don't get me started on how they messed up all the large Cheep Cheep pages by merging each and every one with different types (the timeline for this goes way down) and the whole Spinner VS Ball 'n' Chain thing which I've mentioned hundreds of times, their renaming tendencies are no better, I could go over a whole list of examples. [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 03:11, May 1, 2023 (UTC)
:::Yeah those are some pretty bad examples of the Super Mario Wiki being really stupid. I also hate how hypocritical the Super Mario Wiki is for being so dumb to not realize how unreliable the Mario Portal is and prioritizing it over any other source (like remember what happened with Snuffit and Swoopin Stu). I also seen that the Super Mario Wiki is hypocritically having pages being named from the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia despite them knowing how unreliable that source is. I think one of the dumbest things that the Mario Wiki did for Mario Portak was treating stuff like it incorrectly calling the SMG Monty as Rocky Wrench as just an alternate name for them (despite them calling out the English Super Mario Encyclopedia for calling them a Monty Mole), and treating the Mario Portal reusing the Japanese names for enemies (mainly from Super Mario Land 2) as the 100% official English names for those enemies (despite the English Super Mario Encyclopedia doing the same thing and getting called out for it). Oh also, should the German Super Mario Power guide be sourced as an official piece of media that actually referred to Rocky Wrench as a turtle, and if so, mind putting it as a source in the Rocky Wrench and updating the list of misconceptions page to note this fact (though it is weird how the German Super Mario Power guide acted like Rocky Wrench lost their shell in SMB3, despite them not really losing their shell until New Super Mario Bros. Wii. There is also the minor continuity error on it saying that they started throwing wrenches AFTER they lost their shell, despite Rocky Wrenches throwing wrenches in most media that also depicts them with their shells. What do you think about that minor continuity error)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 04:53, May 1, 2023 (UTC)
::::Mind helping add the Rocky Wrench being related to Koopas info from the German Super Mario Power guide to both the Rocky Wrench and Koopa pages? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 00:28, May 3, 2023 (UTC)
:::::Sure! I do think it is a strange error as at the time, they had Shells in all official media, unless the author of the guide somehow has psychic powers, I'm not sure. [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 23:47, May 3, 2023 (UTC)
::::::Maybe it was likely just a minor mistake that author made, but I am still pretty sure the book is still most likely reliable and canon (unlike the Mario Portal). Anyways, good luck with adding the Koopa info to the Rocky Wrench page. Also, what is your opinion on the Badniks from Sonic? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 00:06, May 4, 2023 (UTC)
== idk when i'll get around to continuing but ==
Hopefully soon I can resume getting this wiki up to speed again. I know it's designed after classic Super Mario Wiki, but if you think about it, this wiki has more in common with the MarioWiki on Fandom. :P [[User:Bawitdaba|Bawitdaba]] ([[User talk:Bawitdaba|talk]]) 13:57, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
:So hopefully you will be able to update these pages faster? Oh also, aren’t you going to get those Tower of Yikk screenshots soon? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:06, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
::I can't because DS emu not working, sorry [[User:Bawitdaba|Bawitdaba]] ([[User talk:Bawitdaba|talk]]) 22:48, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
:::Aw, okay. Also, anything I can do to help improve more Monty Mole species pages? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 23:04, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
::::I think you did pretty good thus far. [[User:Bawitdaba|Bawitdaba]] ([[User talk:Bawitdaba|talk]]) 23:37, May 5, 2023 (UTC)
:::::It'd be good as a combination of both. Yeah, I’ve been needing to ready some pages for a while now. [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 04:08, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I agree, also mind helping add the Super Mario Power source to the Rocky Wrench and Koopa page to source that Rocky Wrenches are related to Koopas? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 04:30, May 6, 2023 (UTC)
:::::::You agree that the Super Mario Bros. Movie is not canon (due to the many contradictions and lore it breaks, unlike the DiC cartoons and the manga)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 22:05, May 11, 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry for the late reply, yeah sure! Also, I believe that the Super Mario Bros. Movie takes place in a separate universe to the Mario games not only with the contradictions to the lore but some of the personality differences (like for example Bowser is close to being a pure evil in the movie whereas in the games, he wasn't as extreme), the characters looking strikingly different, and more. For this wiki, I am in favor of creating separate pages for the movie incarnations of the characters (like how Mario Wikia has done it as well as the Heroes and Villains Wikis). [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 02:48, May 16, 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with what you said, though I still think the movie incarnation characters can still share the same page. Also, mind helping with that German Super Mario Power guide Rocky Wrench source that said that they were related to Koopas? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:03, May 16, 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Here is the [https://archive.org/details/super-mario-power/page/14/mode/2up link] to the source I was talking about. [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 03:38, May 16, 2023 (UTC)
== Misconception continuation ==
Wanna help continue the misconceptions page? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:09, May 23, 2023 (UTC)
:You agree that this wiki has not had any substantial edits as of recently (likely due to the mediocre-bad Mario products in recent times)? Also, this video [https://youtu.be/sciGTnUqU28 right here] at the 8:08 mark for some reason says that this random painting is meant to be a stylized picture of Monty Mole. Is this true or just a weird assumption this guy made? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:32, May 28, 2023 (UTC)
::That is fair to say, also looking at it now, the painting bears very little resemblance to a Monty Mole, also, sure! I'd be down for that, sorry if I haven't been as active here lately, I've been wrapped with other projects. [[User:The RPG Gamer|The RPG Gamer]] ([[User talk:The RPG Gamer|talk]]) 04:32, May 28, 2023 (UTC)
:::Yeah that is why I questioned it. If anything, it could also be a painting of a dog or something, as Monty Mole doesn’t even make any physical appearance in the movie so it would be weird if that one random painting in the real world was just a picture of a Monty Mole. Anyways, thanks for helping out with the wiki, do you mind also trying to add some extra stuff to the Monty Mole species pages as well? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 04:43, May 28, 2023 (UTC)
== New sorting method ==
Hello! I've sprung back into action here. If it's okay with you, I updated the style guide here to say that ''Mario'' franchise appearances are covered in History section (''Mario'' takes priority because this is first and foremost a ''Mario'' wiki) whilst the others go into their respective sections (''Yoshi'' appearances, ''Wario'' appearances, Crossover appearances, so forth). Check the [[Rex]], [[Goomba]], and [[1-Up Mushroom]] articles as an example. It just has really begun to bug me when people try to call it all ''Mario''.
I also gave [[Mario (franchise)#Related franchises and series|this section]] of the ''Mario'' franchise page a bit of an update, and you'll notice I said that ''Donkey Kong'' is "partnered" as ''Mario Bros.'' for Game & Watch is the real first game with ''Mario'' in the title, but ''Donkey Kong'' arcade game is his first starring role as protagonist. Alongside ''Donkey Kong'', you will also see ''The Legend of Zelda''. I feel incredibly proud of what I typed up, so I'll relay it here for you:
"The [[The Legend of Zelda (franchise)|''The Legend of Zelda'' franchise]] is closely related to the ''Mario'' franchise, although its relation is more subtle and different than with the ''Donkey Kong'' franchise. ''The Legend of Zelda'' began in 1987, with the release of the titular game of the [[The Legend of Zelda|same name]]. The game was developed concurrently alongside ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', and since then, a mainline ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' platforming game has often been developed concurrently with a ''[[The Legend of Zelda (series)|The Legend of Zelda]]'' game, such as ''[[Super Mario 64]]'' with ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]''. Sometimes, ''Mario'' concepts were originally intended for ''The Legend of Zelda'', such as [[Fire Bar]]s. ''Mario'' enemies such as [[Chain Chomp]]s, [[Bob-omb]]s, and [[Thwomp]]s have commonly appeared throughout the 2D ''The Legend of Zelda'' games. Furthermore, variants of ''Mario'' enemies exclusively appear in the ''The Legend of Zelda'' franchise, such as [[Manhandla]]s, a large [[Piranha Plant]] variant that debuted in the first ''The Legend of Zelda'', comparable to how [[Pouncer]]s, a Thwomp variant in ''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]'', have not appeared outside the ''Wario'' games. Similarly, [[Octoomba]]s, a variant of ''The Legend of Zelda''{{'}}s [[Octorok]], have not appeared outside the ''Mario'' franchise. ''The Legend of Zelda'' can be considered one step away from being a ''Mario'' spinoff, and it even had an [[The Legend of Zelda (television)|animated television show]] included as part of ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]''."
''Yoshi'' games introduced many Shy Guys, such as [[Fly Guy]]s and [[Lantern Ghost]]s (latter hardly appears outside the ''Yoshi'' games), Pouncers only appear in the first ''Wario Land'', Manhandlas and similar are recurring throughout ''The Legend of Zelda'' but not Mario, Octoombas do not appear in ''Zelda'' games. Literally the same situation between the few. I'm not trying to convince, it's just that I'm just ranting because the similarities between ''Mario'' and ''The Legend of Zelda'' connections are just like ''Mario'' to ''Yoshi'' and ''Wario'' each. The ''Donkey Kong'' series and its continued ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series also takes elements from ''Mario'' franchise at times.
Hope you like these improvements! [[User:Bawitdaba|Bawitdaba]] ([[User talk:Bawitdaba|talk]]) 18:52, October 23, 2023 (UTC)
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