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Welcome to Mariopedia, MontyMoleLoreMaster, and thank you for joining us! There's a lot to do around here, so I hope you'll stay with us and make many more improvements.
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Welcome to the wiki, hope you like it here! I actually didn't create it (it's HannahMontanaFan who did), but I founded all of the affiliates in the side-section. I often don't like to advertise, but I felt the Yoshipedia thing was unique (Monty Moles are counted as part of both the Mario & Yoshi franchise) & I remember seeing your username on MarioWiki on Fandom Bawitdaba (talk) 12:46, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I am glad to help but I do wonder if I can copy and paste the manga sections I originally wrote for the Mario Wiki that were replaced? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:48, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing; as sitenotice suggests, this wiki is based on the MarioWiki from its earlier days & shares the compatible CC-BY-SA license. I give credit by linking to the MarioWiki article in the edit summary, as license require to give credit (and it's ethical as well) Bawitdaba (talk) 12:52, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool, mind if you upload or replace images to help with this as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:00, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Sure, though I need to get breakfast. I'll be back in perhaps a few hours or so, if that helps (I need to do morning chores as well). To give further context to this place, I decided on the name "Mariopedia" and bought the domain, styled the site & did the background graphic, as I could tell the actual founder (HMfan) was trying to create a Mario wiki based on the earlier days of the main one Bawitdaba (talk) 13:06, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
I am editing in the information but I would very much appreciate if you helped add images back, so far I made the Monty Mole page have the manga section as the previous revision but the other info from the main page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:09, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Also I am planning for the Big Monty Mole page and the Mega Monty Mole page to be much different than what is on Mario Wiki since it would be split into two different pages (and also Super Choropū). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:11, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

A PipeProject

The abandoned feature from MarioWiki -- PipeProjects -- I repurposed for here. I made one at PipeProject:Monty Moles, as I can tell we have several ideas on articles for Monty Moles and their relatives & could be best to organize the ideas. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:39, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Quick question, are you cool helping upload all the Monty Mole species images from the Super Mario Wiki into this wiki? Also how do PipeProjects work exactly? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:42, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I am good wit doing that when I get more time today. And PipeProjects -- I think could think of them as like class projects. In this case the Monty Mole-related subjects & improving upon their articles, and once satisfactory, the goals can be marked as completed and eventually the PipeProject itself (although the thing with wikis is the work is neverending but this is more about getting the Monty Mole-related articles up to speed). The talk page is for where discussion relating to the project is at (I already started a question as an example). Bawitdaba (talk) 13:49, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Will you also help me with making the pages, so far I have been copying and pasting the info from Super Mario Wiki but making minor adjustments like fixing errors. Some pages like Big Monty Mole I wont make just yet cause I am planning to split that page into Big Monty Mole, Mega Monty Mole, and Super Choropū. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:55, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Yes Bawitdaba (talk) 13:57, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Also, I might take a break from editing for now but are you cool with helping create pages and uploading images as well to help out? Also, is it cool if the origami variants of enemies get their own pages (like what the fandom wiki does)? Oh and by the way I am making the pages for Mawful Moles and then I will take a break cause this is a bit exhausting. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:04, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I added the stuff to the Mawful Mole pages (besides images), I am going to take a small break so are you cool with helping add more Monty Mole species pages (including the manga ones)? Also, should the Chubby page be deleted since it was basically only just a very minor Monty Mole very briefly mentioned in the Mario Kart 64 instruction booklet and nowhere else? Oh and I don’t really think it reappeared in Mario Kart DS. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:20, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, so I'm back from morning chores. I didn't make the Chubby article, though I would've probably wanted it merged. HannahMontanaFan created the article, so may want to ask him first Bawitdaba (talk) 16:31, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I finished most of the Monty Mole species and relatives pages so mind helping create most of the character pages? Oh and also, can you help upload the images that were used on the Mario Wiki as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:38, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
I already said I would, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 16:46, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Also, I accidentally glitched the Monty Tank image, mind helping fix it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:05, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
It didn't seem glitched when I looked at it, but I did my best attempt at making the image transparent, if that helps Bawitdaba (talk) 19:16, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
My format for the website glitched and it makes things harder to see, how do I revert it back to normal? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:28, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Mind showing a screencap? Did you hard-refresh? (Ctrl+Shift+R)? Bawitdaba (talk) 19:32, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Don’t worry it is fixed now, also my question I said on your take page? Oh and do you know anyone that can read Japanese? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:37, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
I replied to you on my talk page -- I said I don't know anyone who can speak Japanese & that the Random Hoo Has archive still looks to be publicly accessible. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:44, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
It was a certain section that I got most of my scans from that went private. Also I am nearly done with making the pages (besides the enlarged Monty Moles). Also since you have those scans, do volumes 24, 33, and 34 have any Monty Mole appearances? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:59, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
I haven't checked -- are you able to download that Super Mario-kun collection from archive.org? What is it that went private by the way? Bawitdaba (talk) 20:32, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

No that wasn’t it, in fact I did not know that archive existed until you told me. I tried downloading it but it was too big so mind checking volumes 24, 33, and 34 to see if they have any Monty Mole species since those were the only volumes I did not check? If there are any Monty Mole species appearances mind providing screenshots as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:36, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

The individual volumes can be downloaded this way, but sure I could check Bawitdaba (talk) 20:38, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, also mind making the Big Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole pages? I want them to be like the ones I made for the fandom Mario Wiki. Is that cool with you? Also most of the manga mole pages on the Super Mario Wiki (besides gattai monster and Sphinx Zō) were made by me. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:46, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Ah, I was wondering why those were left blank -- I'll make those too. Whew we're on to a lot of work here :P Bawitdaba (talk) 20:50, September 5, 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay -- I've ported over your two Mario fandom articles on Big Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole respectively to Mariopedia Bawitdaba (talk) 00:02, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, I fixed the King Monty Mole page and made a Super Chororpū page. I also fixed some things on the Big Monty Mole page if that is ok with you. I will create some new pages, mind uploading more Rocky Wrench images to? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:05, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Yeee -- you can also add to Template:Monty Moles as you go along Bawitdaba (talk) 00:09, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Oh and also, can the Monty Mole from the Wonderland series in Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater get their own page? They have a pretty major role in that series as basically their own character (even if they are still referred to as a Monty Mole, could it be like the Mario Party Advance Monty Mole)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:16, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Yes you're allowed to make that Bawitdaba (talk) 00:23, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Oh also, I am making the ghost Monty Mole page and when it is done mind uploading the volume 55 scan of them? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:24, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Yea I can do that Bawitdaba (talk) 00:26, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I made the page, feel free to add more info to it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:35, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Looks like you managed to add the image Bawitdaba (talk) 02:18, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Expansion

Alrighty, does this help? I reused the Mario Fandom section & added the screenshot you requested. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:54, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah looks good, might expand upon it later. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:56, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Have I been helpful?

I hope today has served you well Bawitdaba (talk) 02:43, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah you have been really helpful today, we basically made the skeleton of what the Monty Mole species pages will be. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:53, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I just hoped my help was satisfactory because there have been loads of tasks for us, and I've worked through them to the best of my ability (the galleries & reupping Mario-kun images are still to-do at time of me typing this msg). I will need to sleep soon Bawitdaba (talk) 03:02, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for that PipeProject list

It's just an overwhelming amount of tasks, if that makes sense, and we weren't able to complete it all in one day, so it's better if it's sorted as a bullet list (hence reason I did the PipeProject & looks like it was a good idea to revive the feature over here). Know what I mean? Also, I'll take your word for the Mario Portal thing, but I still think that at least some English names, such as Moofish, are better than nothing. However, in case of Moofish, the MarioWiki never used that as the article title. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:47, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba: Thanks, I still don’t want names of enemies from the Mario Portal being used even if they aren’t that bad like Moofish. I just can’t trust the Mario Portal considering all the wrong information it provided. Also mind answering some of my other questions I said in the talk page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:51, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Oh sorry, what else did you ask? Bawitdaba (talk) 12:52, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: I am back, so for the Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater section should I group all the strips into a singular volume like how it is with other manga appearances, or do I keep it as is where each strip is spaced out? Also, how has the Monty Mole species images been going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:09, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Haven't yet, sorry -- I was slowly working on the Metal Box article, so I hadn't gotten to that yet. I'll do that right now. As for the strips, I'd keep them as separate (like make subsections if there's a lot to say for each volume) Bawitdaba (talk) 22:13, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, I am planning on making a page for the Monty Mole in the wonderland series so I will take care of the 4koma Manga Theater stuff, should I have the volumes being bold so that it is easier to tell what page it is? Also should I call the page Choropū (Wonderland) due to it being a Japanese source? 22:15, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Oh and also, I added the merge request for the Chubby page so mind merging it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Do as you see fit, and yeah I'll go ahead and do w' what you requested for Chubby Bawitdaba (talk) 22:49, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Ok cool, wanna replace the physical scan Super Mario-kun images right now (which are basically all the images I uploaded past Choropūko (volume 23) with the exception of the classic Rocky Wrench image from volume 30)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:57, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I can do that, one moment (sry I've been scattered lately) Bawitdaba (talk) 22:59, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
I'm on it -- I've already replaced quite a few Bawitdaba (talk) 23:28, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the new images, they look gold but kind reuploading the Pūko Rocky Wrench one since it is bugged on my device and you cropped out the infobox of the image. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:34, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
Ok it has been replaced Bawitdaba (talk) 23:37, September 6, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: I added the volume 3 Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater info for the Monty Mole page using the old translations Mariuigi Khed gave to me before I was banned. Anyways are the stuff in the inappropriate tabs too dark? Also mind continuing to try and find someone who can help with translations? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:03, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
No you used the Inappropriate template just fine, thank you :) Bawitdaba (talk) 00:04, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
By the way, what specifically do you want translated? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:05, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater volumes 4 and above (I got translations for volumes 1 and 3 though). Plus the rest of the 4koma Manga after I am finished with this one and also some other manga stuff later down the road, mind if I send the scans for volume 4? I will send them after I finish adding the volume 3 stuff to the Monty Mole (Wonderland) page. 00:13, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Japanese translator ideas

I just had an idea someone who could help you with naming: an admin/crat on the Japanese MarioWiki on Fandom (looks like he knows some English & has made 2 edits to the Mario fandom wiki before). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I asked them but I am still busy so we can wait for them to respond. Anything else we should do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:37, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
I guess find things to edit seeing as we're on a wiki :P Bawitdaba (talk) 00:40, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
Are you cool with helping out with adding more Monty Mole species info and also uploading images for the Rocky Wrench gallery? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:41, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
I could probably finish up the two galleries you mentioned, but as for Monty Mole info -- it will need to come to me first. I could possibly add a List of appearances section -- I did add something on the Monty Mole article's Mario Kart 64 section, if that's of any help. There's probably also some profiles to add, perhaps article on the whack-a-mole minigame in NSMBDS & other things relating to Monty Mole Bawitdaba (talk) 00:45, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also mind making a characteristics section on the Monty Mole page that is like the one on the Wiggler page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:47, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
I could get to that some time, but right now I'm filling in the galleries. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:54, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
I did reply to you on the Japanese admin's message wall (although you were probably notified), but I stated that reason with two is that both us looking for some translation help Bawitdaba (talk) 03:36, September 7, 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Mariuigi Khed is on Fandom & can be contacted via YouTube or email here. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:35, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Ok I messaged him on fandom, if he doesn’t respond I could send him an email to. So uh, are you cool with getting some of the stuff listed on the PipeProject done right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:12, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
I'm still on some of the Monty Mole gallery stuff Bawitdaba (talk) 01:16, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, but afterwards could you help with some of the stuff with the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:18, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that's one of the PipeProject tasks Bawitdaba (talk) 01:33, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Worn a bit thin

I think I'm going to take a break from editing Monty/Rocky Wrench species-related pages (perhaps aside from List of appearances) because I'm worn thin from all that hard work at porting over all this Monty-related stuff over the past 2 or so days & altering it for the wiki. I hope you understand -- I'm not break from editing -- just the Monty/Rocky stuff Bawitdaba (talk) 23:00, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba: Yeah I understand, it is fine to take a break (sometimes I get tired to and take a small break from editing). It can be stressful sometimes and I understand. So after the list of appearances stuff you will take the break right, and after your break will you still help with the pages, just curious? I can still help edit the pages for you so that is fine. Anyways, hope you get a good rest, will it be like for a day or two? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:04, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
Like I said, I'll still be editing. Aside GB/GBC screenshots aside as well as List of appearance, can't immediately think of how else to help on those articles (though I could check the PipeProject list). And some tasks are better suited for someone else, like you with the manga, as you've read it & have gotten the translations from Khed before Bawitdaba (talk) 23:18, September 8, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Yeah fair I can do the manga sections and making new pages. If I need any help with other stuff is it cool if I just place it in the PipeProject and you can do it there? Lastly, are you gonna help making the list of appearances sections for the Monty Mole species right now or later? Oh and for books, will it be just all the books and volumes going from chronological order or like a section for each book series? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:18, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
You know, come to think of it, I should get to it now to show you what i'm talking about Bawitdaba (talk) 00:27, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok cool. Also sorry if I don’t make any big edits every single day, sometimes I get stressed because of that but you aren’t mad when I take a break here and there right? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:32, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
ofc I don't get mad. Actually I made this section because I was afraid you'd be annoyed at me if I took a hiatus (or if I reached a point where I felt I gave all the help I could) :P Bawitdaba (talk) 00:43, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
Don’t worry I am not mad or anything, after all we do need a breather every once in a while, that is why I only make like one or two major edits a day and mostly just make smaller edits. Anyways how is progress going on the appearance sections? I can help with expanding the roles if needed once the sections are finished. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:45, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
I'm working on the appearances section rn (but will have dinner soon before returning to do this some more). Don't worry about it Bawitdaba (talk) 01:01, September 9, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba: Ok cool, uh also I had a question about the NES Open Tournament Golf Monty Mole in your talk page and I was wondering if you could respond to it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:11, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

I do have an idea

Seeing as you love Monty Moles so much, you could go to Meta and request starting a wiki specifically on Monty Moles. It could have theories, stuff on your Monty Mole iceberg, etc. Does this idea sound good? Like you contribute here too ofc, but that could be like your personal & sandbox wiki Bawitdaba (talk) 12:52, September 19, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba Thanks for the offer, but I am content with editing on this wiki. Anyways I will get to making the big and winged variant Monty Mole species pages soon but before I do can you check if they have unique names when placed? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:01, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get to doing that. It might not be immediately though (as I have a couple of other things to do irl first). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:07, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Oh ok, just tell me when you did it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:08, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Oh also, mind checking if there was any Monty Mole species stuff in concept art for Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle (you can watch a YouTube video to find it, the reason I am asking is because I am bad for searching stuff)? Also, can you help provide images for the big and winged Monty Mole/Rocky Wrench variants? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:47, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
I checked, and the in-game voice does not provide names for big/winged & big winged Rocky & Monty variants in Mario Maker. Not sure about searching for species stuff.i could check if sprites for those variants on Spriters Resource. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:54, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Ok mind uploading them here? I also know that the Super Mario Wiki has sprites for the winged variants to. Also, do you mind providing screenshots for the big variants (due to them sharing the same sprites) and the NSMBU style stuff (since it is hard to find the winged sprites for them unless you are able to)? Anyways, just remind me when you upload the needed sprites, thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:58, September 19, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense that the big variants share the same sprites. Ok here's the two sprites: and Bawitdaba (talk) 00:47, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
I took some screenshots from YouTube videos, though not for the winged versions yet. Hopefully it should be ok Bawitdaba (talk) 01:18, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
Cool thanks, I will make a page for big Rocky Wrench but the winged variants will probably have to be on hold until there are more sprites and screenshots uploaded if that is ok with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:36, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
You're welcome -- I hope you don't mind I settled upon YouTube screencaps for Mario Maker because I don't have a way to capture Wii U screencaps natively Bawitdaba (talk) 02:26, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Its fine the screenshots look good anyways, you can also get screenshots for Super Mario Maker 2 if you want. Anyways mind helping with the winged mole sprites and screenshots (plus a screenshot of big winged Monty Mole/Rocky Wrench in the NSMBU style)? Oh also, do you mind getting screenshots of the other levels that big Monty Moles appear in Yoshi’s Crafted World? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:46, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
I don't have means to extract Wii U sprites, like I said, and I prefer to not assemble the sprites manually. I might be able to retrieve screencaps for those -- what's the level screenshot in that infobox? Bawitdaba (talk) 12:46, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Most of the winged enemy sprites (besides the SMW winged Monty Mole and the NSMBU winged stuff) can be found here: https://www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Super_Mario_Maker_sprites. Also mind providing screenshots for the winged enemies in the NSMBU style (I can crop the images like what I did for big Rocky Wrench). Is it fine if like the NSMBU style is used for like the infobox for winged and big enemies? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:56, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
Yes it's fine, as it's the most modern style within that game's release. Also, add to the PipeProject list, as it may take a while for me to find some. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:09, September 20, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Ok I will go do that, you can use the Super Mario Maker gallery from Super Mario Wiki for help to (though please crop the wrenches out). Also, do you mind uploading the other defeat animations for Rocky Wrench in Super Mario Maker? Also should I call the Flower Fields Monty Moles by their Japanese name or no? Also how do I use the same reference twice? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:34, September 20, 2022 (UTC)

I added the two sprites of Monty and Rocky respectively above though? The same reference can be used twice by giving it a name. Here's an example:

First use: <ref name="example1">Example</ref>

Second, third, etc. uses: <ref name="example1"/>

Just call the Flower Fields ones "Monty Moles" and use context when writing about them (e.g. refer to them in the text as "the Flower Fields-specific Monty Moles"). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:18, September 21, 2022 (UTC)

I still need screenshots of the normal and big winged Monty Mole/Rocky Wrench in the NSMBU style to use in the infobox if that is alright with you. Also, should the Rocky Wrench variants be put in variants or relatives since they are variants of Rocky Wrench rather than being their own species. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:38, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
You answered the question yourself -- they are variants, so they belong under Variants. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:43, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that is totally fine with me. I just need to find a YouTube video with them Bawitdaba (talk) 00:44, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Ok tell me when you do that (tip: you can look at the official Super Mario Maker levels as well and also take screenshots from the sequel to). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:47, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Did you get the screenshots yet? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:24, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Not yet -- I'll see if I can get to them in my own time -- as I have with some of the other things on the list. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:53, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Oh other stuff on the PipeProject to do? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:06, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Also you agree that the Japanese Super Mario Land 2 website definitively said that Ragumo was a relative to Monty Mole and wasn’t questioning it like the wiki says? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:09, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
I can't think of anything. And if the website say that's the case (relative), then it probably is. Bawitdaba (talk) 13:22, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Hi, wanna do the screenshots now that I suggested for the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:03, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
I'm taking a break from Monty Mole stuff for today, if that's ok with you Bawitdaba (talk) 22:07, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Thats fine, we all need breaks sometimes, good news is that I found some screenshots on Vizzed that I can upload later. Also there is a confirmed release date for volume 58 of Super Mario-kun seen here: https://manga-republic.com/product/product_page_1608183.html?ref=search_page&type=search_product. You agree that this is pretty exciting (I do hope they have a Breezy Tunnel chapter). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:15, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
Yes this is great news :) Bawitdaba (talk) 23:19, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
So any plans for today (since you are taking a break from Monty Mole editing for the day)? I had an idea of making a page for Super Mario-kun like what the Super Mario Wiki has. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:25, September 21, 2022 (UTC)
I don't have anything on mind in particular Bawitdaba (talk) 00:09, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
When we make the Super Mario-kun pages, do you mind if we have like a character list for all the characters who appeared in a specific chapter? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
Yeeee that's cool with me Bawitdaba (talk) 01:06, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, wanna start that soon (like today or tomorrow maybe like after the winged mole pages)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:07, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
I'll decide when to, but yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 02:45, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
Are you cool with starting when I am in school tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:58, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
I could perhaps get started on the Mario-kun pages, but I'll need your help for the character lists Bawitdaba (talk) 03:05, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
I can help with the Monty Mole related chapters but I think you can help with the character lists to since you have access to the volumes as well. Mind if we do the winged Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench stuff first and then the Super Mario-kun stuff? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:20, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, and it will help me as well if you can tell ideas for where I can find video for winged Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench Bawitdaba (talk) 13:02, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Go on the Super Mario Wiki and look at the official levels from all three Super Mario Maker games and it can help you find videos of those levels which feature the winged variants (preferably some in the NSMBU style to use for the infobox). Maybe the level Nisekoi: Tsugumi & Marika is also good for this. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:47, September 22, 2022 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any winged Montys or Rockys in Nisekoi: Tsugumi & Marika. However, there's one winged Monty and a big winged Monty in the Super Mario Bros. 3-style Angry Angry Sun level in Super Mario Maker 2 (check recent changes for screencaps). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:14, September 23, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Those could be good screenshots to use for the gallery, but I do need screenshots of the big and winged Monty Kole/Rocky Wrenches in the NSMBU style for the character infobox. My suggestions is either watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpK3HT3hvs, looking up Monty Mole Super Mario Maker on YouTube, or looking up videos showcasing all the enemies in Super Mario Maker 1 or 2. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:30, September 23, 2022 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do when I get time -- it's late here, so I need to sleep soon Bawitdaba (talk) 02:58, September 23, 2022 (UTC)

Okay, so I added two screenshots from that video. Unfortunately there are no winged Rocky/Monty variants in that video, but screenshots of Big Monty/Rocky has been added Bawitdaba (talk) 03:13, September 23, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bxI9DFLaso, this video is really good for screenshots of the big and winged enemies, mind taking screenshots from this video so we can make the winged Monty Mole/Rocky Wrench pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:08, September 23, 2022 (UTC)
Other screenshots worth uploading: https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Facebook_Nintendo_2015-10-13_SMM_course_8.png https://www.mariowiki.com/File:NoE_WCC_2015_Oct_23_3.jpg https://www.mariowiki.com/File:NoE_WCC_2015_Oct_23_9.jpg https://www.mariowiki.com/File:NoE_WCC_2015_Dec_11_3.jpg MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:19, September 23, 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look at that video. As for those images, they all on a List of fan-made Super Mario Maker courses highlighted by Nintendo article on the wiki, so may have to port that one over in general itself. Bawitdaba (talk) 11:58, September 23, 2022 (UTC)

Okay, the screenshots have been added -- and in New Super Mario Bros. U-style at that Bawitdaba (talk) 12:09, September 23, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, I will start making the pages right now. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:59, September 23, 2022 (UTC)
Should a page for wrenches be made? I think the big wrenches from Sticker Star and the Spanner s from Origami King could have pages to as like variants. Does that sound like a good idea? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:21, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, it is a good idea. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:04, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, wanna make the page right now and I can review over it later? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:48, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
I think you might have more of an idea on what to write for it. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:16, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe, but I think you should make the page and I can make improvements later. Sound like a good plan? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:38, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Actually yeah perhaps could work like that. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:11, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, just tell me when you do. Also, I made several edits and I created the big winged Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench pages if you want to check those out. Also do those big wrenches from Sticker Star and Color Splash have an official name? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:12, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure, as I don't really play the Paper Mario series apparently. I'll let you know when I get to it, yes, and can check those two articles out in my own time Bawitdaba (talk) 22:57, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
Ok just tell me when you get to it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:00, September 24, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Quick question, is there any sources that prove that Cataquacks and Fuzzlers are a part of the Wiggler species? Also how is progress on the wrench page going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:10, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I was at a friend's house, so I haven't begun work on it yet. It's also late, and I need to go to sleep. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:57, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, we can work on it tomorrow. Oh also, my question about Cataquack and Fuzzler? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:04, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I think Fuzzlers are a relative of Wigglers, as has been shown on the MarioWiki, but I struggle to see how Cataquacks are relative of Wiggler, even if their Japanese name suggests a similarity. May want to ask HMfan on this one as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 11:12, September 25, 2022 (UTC)

Subspecies

@Bawitdaba While you make the wrench page, should I remove instances of pages using subspecies and replace it with variants (like what I did with the stuff claiming some games to be not canon)? Do you mind like removing the subspecies category and like replacing every page that has it with variants? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:56, September 25, 2022 (UTC)

I have been getting to that as I've been going along, but yes you may definitely help out with that. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:12, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will help with that and you can have the subspecies category replaced with the Variants one maybe with like a bot like what you did with the not canon template. Also why exactly is calling variants as subspecies bad? Just wondering. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:25, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I can't remember where I read of that, but I'm just used to using "Variants" at this point :P. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:29, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
So how is progress on the wrench page going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:34, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I think Category:Subspecies has been split apart into Category:Variants and Category:Relatives, so that why I wanted to be more careful when doing a mass-rename of the category. I haven't started on the wrench article yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:48, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Oh a small tip that can help with the wrench article, I highly recommend looking at Rocky Wrench’s page for the appearances of wrenches and their behaviors. Also would the ones that Monty threw in Super Mario Galaxy count or no since Monty is not related to Rocky Wrench but they do throw wrenches? Anyways good luck with making the wrench page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:00, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
They count as the same subject, yes. Here's a rough draft of the article: Wrench. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:28, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Cool, good luck on finishing it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:31, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to add to it -- could help me with adding more to it in return. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:57, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I will add more to it once you finish it if that is cool with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:04, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, what magazines can be deemed worthy s reliable and official sources? The only two that come to mind are Nintendo Power, and the UK Official Nintendo Magazine (and also Nintendo Dream to I think). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:21, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, those are the only two that come to mind for now. If I think of anything else I'll tell Bawitdaba (talk) 17:29, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Ok good luck with making the wrench page. I am still waiting to find someone who can translate Japanese. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:07, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
Also, should the cannons from Super Mario Sunshine get their own page? They have a unique design and function much differently from the standard cannons. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:16, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I was about to make the Glorpedo page, but I saw the Super Mario Wiki labeled the brown mud balls that Petey Piranha pukes out as Glorpedos. Is this true or no, cause I thought Glorpedos were just the goo balls that the Monty Mole shot out. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:23, September 25, 2022 (UTC)
I think they are different. And yes, the Monty Mole cannons definitely should get their own article. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:36, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
I made the Glorpedo page, tell me what you think of it. Also can you finish the wrench page right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:48, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
It's a PipeProject task -- I'll finish it in my own time. Also, I like the Glorpedo page, yes. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:38, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
The wrench page could probably be finished tomorrow, sound like a good plan? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:23, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps Bawitdaba (talk) 13:11, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
Ok I am back, wanna work on the wrench page now? Also I did want to add something to the Glorpedo page. Mind checking volume 31 of Super Mario-kun to see if Glorpedos appeared in it (also explains what they did in the volume) and also providing an image of it as well? For context, one of the last chapters in volume 31 is like the Monty Mole boss in Noki Bay, so I believe that chapter also has Glorpedos if they’d di appear in Super Mario-kun. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:38, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
To be honest I'm bit too tired to work on things right now. I worked outside for a couple of hours today. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:36, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah fair, I understand the hard work that you did. Feel free to take a break for as long as you would like (though the wrench page should be finished hopefully soon, but no need to rush or anything. Sorry I am just a bit impatient sometimes). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:34, September 26, 2022 (UTC)
I also understand the feeling of impatience, so you're good, but thank you for making an effort to control it Bawitdaba (talk) 02:09, September 27, 2022 (UTC)
No problem, also mind helping me with the Glorpedo question? Also, wanna like work on the wrench page tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:58, September 27, 2022 (UTC)
Add Glorpedo to the PipeProject list. I'll get to the wrench article in my own time -- we'll see Bawitdaba (talk) 13:30, September 27, 2022 (UTC)

Glorpedo

Are you unable to see for yourself whether they make an appearance in Super Mario kun? Bawitdaba (talk) 22:39, September 27, 2022 (UTC)

It would be a hassle to check so I was wondering if you were okay with checking? If not, then I guess I will do it myself. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:42, September 27, 2022 (UTC)
So uh, what should be done right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:11, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
Oh sorry I was busy today & got sidetracked. This is why I hesitated to make promise about when I'd finish the wrench article Bawitdaba (talk) 02:45, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
Eh that was fine, I didn’t do too much today either cause I was doing something else on the Garfield Wiki. I am making a blog post documenting every sentient object appearance in the Garfield Comics if you were wondering what it was. Anyways, what should we do right now? I do think the wrench article should be finished soon at least. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:41, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
What else do you think can be added to the wrench article? Bawitdaba (talk) 11:52, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba Appearances of wrenches in the various games they appeared in (with most of them being Rocky Wrench appearances as well). You could also note notable wrench behaviors like them being able to be jumped on in 3D Land for example. You don’t have to do the manga yet, at least like the games but you can do the manga if you want with the info from the Rocky Wrench page. Also do characters like Mischievous Mole who are mentioned but never actually shown count as implied? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:09, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
Yes I'd say that counts as implied Bawitdaba (talk) 23:53, September 28, 2022 (UTC)
Liked my advice for the wrench page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:59, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah -- I only added one short paragraph tho (I'm tired -- I worked hard in the real world today, so that why I asked for your ideas on what to add). Bawitdaba (talk) 02:15, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah fair, I am busy doing something big for the Garfield wiki so that is why I haven’t been editing as much either. Tomorrow will you try to fully finish the wrench page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:59, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Also, I know this isn’t Mario related but I was wondering if you could help get good screenshots of the sentient bathroom scale named RX-2 from its appearances in the Garfield and Friends episode "Weighty Problem" and the Garfield Thanksgiving Special. If not, that is fine, I was going to use it for the Garfield wiki by the way. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:06, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Good news, I found this massive archive of Mario Quiz Cards and I was wondering if you could help upload images of the cards that feature Monty Mole species? I am not able to put the images into my photos for some reason since they are complied into a PDF. Could you help me please? The link for the archive is here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4Z_3kAA4vzoi-cpLOzawCcVwtvdoc3J. I did find one card that I could upload which I will put in the Mega Mole page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 07:10, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Tbh I don't know what else to add to the wrench article. And I actually do own a set of Mario Quiz Cards for myself irl, but that definitely helps to have been shared this GDrive link. Thank you! Bawitdaba (talk) 12:52, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
No problem, also for the wrench page, try to list all the appearances of wrenches in like a way that is similar to like the enemy pages like Rocky Wrench. Most wrench roles are with Rocky Wrench so just list how the wrenches behaved in the media they are featured in, to make it easier you can start with the games. Also, did any other Mario Quiz Cards have Monty Mole species or just those two? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:09, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure. I suppose I could check the Rocky Wrench article for instances of "wrench" for ideas on what to add. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:52, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah and I recommend giving the wrench page an infobox and sections if that is alright with you. Also can you upload all the Mario Quiz Cards that have Monty Mole species since we only have two with Mega Mole artwork and that is about it. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:58, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Add to PipeProject list so I can be reminded to get to that some time. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:07, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Ok done, will you get to the Mario Quiz Cards soon? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:20, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
We'll see. Anyway, I filled in more of the wrench article. Not my best effort, but hopefully it's better than before Bawitdaba (talk) 23:46, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Ok good luck, also mind adding more screenshots and an infobox as well. Other then that it is an improvement to the wrench article. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:49, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
What infobox should use, item? It is an object thrown rather than a thing collected or added to the inventory, so that's why I asked. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:58, September 29, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah you can use the item infobox, also add some more images to please. I think the main image can be a cropped part of the Rocky Wrench NSMBW artwork but just the wrench. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:01, September 30, 2022 (UTC)
I'm really tired rn, so want to add to PipeProject list (seeing as you have a bit more of an idea of the specifics you still want added on the wrench article)? Bawitdaba (talk) 00:03, September 30, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah sure, I can do some rewrites but you can add more images later. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:05, September 30, 2022 (UTC)
Hey, wanna help add more images to the wrench reticle or help upload the rest of the Mario Quiz Cards that feature Monty Mole species? Also, like what I did for that trivia point in the wrench page that talked about Super Mario Galaxy and why I did not include the wrenches in that game? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:46, September 30, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I suppose I do like it, although it is a regular wrench like the ones thrown by Rocky Wrenches -- that doesn't mean it is a Rocky Wrench (as has been discussed before), so I would keep out of trivia. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:12, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
As for images, perhaps some other time. Same with the Quiz Card images (I'm pretty tired rn). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:13, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Wanna do that tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:07, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I probably could Bawitdaba (talk) 01:51, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Cool. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:43, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Wanna work on that stuff right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:04, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I could add a few wrench images Bawitdaba (talk) 16:14, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the update to the wrench gallery, it looks good. Do you mind adding an infobox still? I think Paper Mario: The Origami King is probably the latest appearance of wrenches since Mario Kart Tour does not have Rocky Wrenches throwing wrenches, and Rocky Wrench is only mentioned in Mario Golf: Super Rush. Also, mind uploading all the Mario Quiz Cards which feature Monty Mole species? Anyways thanks for the hard work. What should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:36, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Nothing in particular come to mind. And yw -- happy to help Bawitdaba (talk) 17:54, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, mind adding the wrench infobox and more Mario Quiz Cards featuring Monty Mole species right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:57, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I'll see about the Mario quiz cards a bit later -- I plan to look through my own collection & add the Google Drive scans to the wiki Bawitdaba (talk) 18:07, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
Cool to hear. Anyways good luck with the Mario Quiz Cards scans. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:08, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
How has the Mario Quiz Card stuff been going along? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:10, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I'm busy salvaging some SSB articles from the Super Mario Wiki, so I put that off for the meantime. You can try checking for yourself & if you find anything can ask me to upload those quiz card images Bawitdaba (talk) 21:47, October 1, 2022 (UTC)
I can help tell you which sections on the Google Drive do or do not feature Monty Mole species Mario Quiz Cards if that helps. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:54, October 2, 2022 (UTC)

Ok for the sections in the Google drive that have Monty Mole species related artwork, these sections are:

  • Arts, Sports, and Leisure (with the keldo one and the deck of cards one having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Beliefs & Legends (with the monastery, the Muslim language and the Norse god of thunder cards featuring Mega Mole artwork)
  • Domestic Animals (with the cashmere, the puppy nursing and the beagle cards using Mega Mole artwork)
  • Geography (with the largest crater, the unexplored regions and the which region is a continent cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • History (with the scribe and the Conestoga wagon having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Human Body (with the Stanford-Binet test measure and the earache cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Medicine (with the calorie, the sunscreen, and the asthma cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Meteorology (with the hurricane prediction and the ball lightning cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Oceans & Seas (with the Bermuda Triangle card having Mega Mole artwork)
  • People of the World (with the Tibet and the souk cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Plants & Trees (with the wheat card having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Science & Technology (with the modern fishing nets, the radioactivity discovery, and the thinly sliced wood Cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Social Life (with the draftee and the fable cards having Mega Mole artwork)
  • The Story of Life (with the mollusks card having Mega Mole artwork)
  • The Universe (with the white dwarf card having Mega Mole artwork)
  • Wild Animals (with the gibbon and the spider bite Cards having Mega Mole artwork).

And that is all the Mario Quiz Cards I looked at that have Mega Mole artwork. This took a while to do, so hopefully it was all worth it in the end. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:56, October 2, 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help :) I've been a little sick lately (a small cold), so that's kind of slowed me down. Also, want to reorganize your message so that it a bulleted list (therefore making it easier to read)? In theory anyone can do that, but it would be rude of me if I modified your comment to make it a bulleted list. Again thank you for the help! :) Bawitdaba (talk) 16:22, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
You can make my comment a billeted list if you want, I do not mind. Thanks for asking first though. Anyways, what else can I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:19, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
Skiing? Bawitdaba (talk) 18:30, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
That was a typo, I meant to say "asking." Anyways, anything else I can help with or any new discoveries made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk • contribs)
Also, once you finish uploading the Mario Quiz Cards, do you mind organizing the Mega Mole gallery some more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk • contribs)
Nothing comes to mind for now. Also, I'm done adding the quiz cards (they are in their own gallery subsection) & made short mention of Mega Mole being among the characters or species on the Mario Quiz Cards to read one of three possible responses. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:52, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, anything else we should do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:03, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
No prob, and I already said that nothing come to mind at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 20:25, October 2, 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if anything new happened lately and anything I should do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:34, October 4, 2022 (UTC)
The recent changes show what new things have happened lately :P (I don't have anything on to-do in mind btw) Bawitdaba (talk) 23:02, October 4, 2022 (UTC)
How about getting the screenshots listed in the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:16, October 4, 2022 (UTC)
Wait I had a great idea, what if we make a page discussing various misconceptions fans make in the Mario series (like the misconception of the Undergrunt species being Monty Mole species despite having no connection to them). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:33, October 4, 2022 (UTC)
I got a screenshot of Ragumo in the meantime. And yes, you may create an article on that. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:34, October 4, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the screenshots and they look cool, also mind checking over the list of misconceptions page to make sure all the writing is good? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:03, October 5, 2022 (UTC)
I'm glad you like them. I made a couple of edits to the List of misconceptions article, which is obviously a work in progress, but I may not be able to elaborate upon the Undergrunt/Monty you listed because I haven't researched it as excessively as you have. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:55, October 5, 2022 (UTC)
That is fine, do you want to add some misconceptions to the list as well (also errors the Super Mario Wiki made can also count)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:30, October 5, 2022 (UTC)
I'm good ty Bawitdaba (talk) 11:10, October 5, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the added Whack-a-Monty images and they are great, but I was wondering if you could add some wrench images throughout the wrench article to make it a bit more visually appealing? Also, when volume 58 of Super Mario-kun releases will you buy it? Oh snd when the Mario Movie trailer comes out mind telling me if Monty Mole appears in it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:06, October 5, 2022 (UTC)
I had no plans to buy volume 58 of Super Mario-kun. What wrench images did you have in mind? Also, the trailer would prob be readily available on YouTube, and it is going to be shown on both Nintendo Direct and Comic Con Bawitdaba (talk) 00:51, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah good point, but I was wondering if for the wrench images you could have screenshots of various moments in media where a Rocky Wrench throws a wrench (like in Mush-Rumors). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, October 6, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba weird fact, I remember seeing on the Fandom Mario wiki in an older revision of the Rocky Wrench page saying the 2020 Tokyo Mario & Sonic game had Rocky Wrench in it as their latest appearance. Is this true or false? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:02, October 6, 2022 (UTC)

I have not checked. As for the wrench, that may be something to get to Bawitdaba (talk) 03:07, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
Mind checking tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:11, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
I went ahead and added a Mush-Rumors screenshot. As for Tokyo 2020, I got that game myself recently & am still playing through it (I tend to start with Story Mode). Bawitdaba (talk) 13:37, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
I saw the Mush-Rumors screenshot and it was cool, also if you see Rocky Wrench or any Monty Mole species in that game please let me know. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:54, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
Also is it confirmed that any Monty Mole species are appearing in the Mario Movie? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:20, October 6, 2022 (UTC)
@Bawitdaba I added some more wrench screenshots for the history part of the wrench page to make it feel more lively. Also, do you mind taking some more screenshots of Rocky Wrrnch’s apperances in Princess Toadstool for President and The Ugly Mermaid oh and also the three pieces of artwork for Rocky Wrench in the writers bible for The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3? Also, do you mind uploading more sprites and models of wrenches taken from The Spriters and Model Resoucre sometime as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:58, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
Lotta requests -- add to the PipeProject list so I can get to them in my own time. And thank you for contributing to that Wrench article more. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:25, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
No problem, anyways I will add these to the PipeProject so do you mind doing them sometime soon? Also, did you see Rocky Wrench in the 2020 Tokyo Mario & Sonic at the Olympics games or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:29, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
Also, wanna add some more misconceptions to the list of misconceptions page? Also do you mind getting a screenshot of the Chain Chomp Challenge in Mario Power Tennis but in 4:3? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:38, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
Have not seen yet as I need to continue my playthrough. I cannot think of any misconceptions. Perhaps I could retrieve a screenshot, we'll see Bawitdaba (talk) 18:09, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
Ok just tell me when you see any during your playthrough, is that the reason why you have been taking a while? Also any Mario games you own on switch that have Monty Mole species which can be used for screenshots? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:44, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
I have not started yet. Also, no it not why I'm taking a while -- I still edit other wikis too (and some irl tasks, snack break, etc) know what i mean? that's why i had us have the PipeProject -- so we can remember some things for another time or another day. I have Mario Party Superstars, which has Monty Moles within them. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:36, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, do you mind uploading some Mario Party Superstars images with Monty Mole like them on the Woody Woods map, one of the players talking to them, them switching the signs, and the Monty Mole telling which player they think is deemed worthy enough to have an item? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:51, October 7, 2022 (UTC)
At some point, sure. Add to the PipeProject list Bawitdaba (talk) 01:20, October 8, 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I had a better idea that it can be used for a Woody Woods page. Anything new happening? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:13, October 8, 2022 (UTC)
just editing some other wikis rn & getting ready for dinner. remember how i say sometimes i need these "breaks" from like focusing on Monty/Rocky? kind of on one rn, hence my advice to add to PipeProject list Bawitdaba (talk) 02:24, October 8, 2022 (UTC)
What should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:25, October 8, 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps create more pages like you did with Woody Woods Bawitdaba (talk) 23:26, October 8, 2022 (UTC)

The backlog

You get why sometimes it can be hard for me to immediately get to thing, right? For instance before I do Mario Party Superstars i need to play through Tokyo 2020 to see if there's Rocky Wrenches in it. And the PipeProject we look at a lot, so it there & not having to feel there's a deadline to get this stuff done. We've done a great job thus far. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:26, October 8, 2022 (UTC)

I agree, we did do a good job so far. Also I understand that it can be hard to start something sometimes, there hasn’t really been any exciting official Monty Mole species related stuff happening this year and I can’t start the manga sections yet because we don’t have anyone who can help translate them. Anyways, thanks for helping me with stuff, and also how is the Tokyo 2020 stuff going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:50, October 8, 2022 (UTC)
Yw glad to help. And still no sign of Rocky Wrenches in there yet (what made you think they appear in the game)? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:59, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
An old revision on the fandom Mario Wiki said that they appeared in that game as like their latest appearance (though this was changed in a later revision). Also, I was thinking if more big Monty Mole screenshots from like Yoshi’s Crafted World can be put in their gallery? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:02, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
I suppose so Bawitdaba (talk) 02:31, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Cool thanks, also mind having at least one of the screenshots having a good view of the red form that big Monty Mole has in Yoshi’s Crafted World when they are hit with a Yoshi Egg once? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:09, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Oh you mean i take them? I don't have the game for Switch -- unless you want me to retrieve from YouTube videos some time? Bawitdaba (talk) 04:01, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
The YouTube video stuff can work to since we did that for most Super Mario Maker screenshots. Also why all the Zelda pages since this is a Mario wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:18, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Because there's shared enemy families between the Mario and Zelda franchises, among other similarities. I did discuss this before on HMfan's talk page. I do get why some may see it as a bit of a stretch, but Mario & Zelda have shared common developers, and there's enemy families (like with Thwomps having variants and relatives in Zelda: Link's Awakening) that carry over between the two franchises. Manhandlas have been literally stated to be giant Piranha Plants as well.
Now if it was different developers (like Spinies appear in Kirby, which not made by same team as Mario and Zelda), then that's another story. There's several other things. Banjo & Conker are related through the DK franchise because Banjo & Conker happened to make their debut in Diddy Kong Racing. See the Scope page for a bit more info. So yeah, I like to be one pushing the line (helps the wiki stand out with this little quirk), but I have said that Zelda is "related," i.e. not a part of Mario franchise but in close relation to it (similar to SSB). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:32, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, it is actually strange how a relative of Piranha Plant was in Zelda which is honestly kind of interesting. Also, where there ever any Monty Mole stuff seen in other franchises like Zelda? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:57, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
I wish there were Rocky Wrenches & Monty Moles in The Legend of Zelda. Also, to add to my point, I think it one thing if there's only one game with Mario enemies, but Thwomps have made semi-recurring appearances throughout the Zelda series as enemies (e.g. Four Swords Adventures). Then Lakitu is an enemy in Zelda: The Minish Cap. I'm pretty sure the Beanstalk in Minish Cap is the same as the ones from the Mario franchise (even makes the vine growth sound present in the Mario titles). Just trust me, this is just an interesting thing I'm trying out (Zelda on a Mario Wiki). Bawitdaba (talk) 17:01, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Its fine, I was wondering if Monty Mole species ever appeared in any crossover games or other series because that would be interesting. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:03, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Also for one of the Mario Kart Wii tournaments, there is a unique render of Monty Mole that was used for the tournament on the official UK Nintendo website. Mind uploading said render please, the source is this: https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Search/Search-299117.html?q=Monty%20Mole&f=147396-3957 MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:14, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
It's pretty low quality, but here's the standard resolution: mario_contest_peach.png Bawitdaba (talk) 21:31, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, anything else that should be done right now? Also, do you mind working on the images that I listed in the PipeProject to upload. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:35, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
I'll get to them in my own time. Before I do screenshots I need to play through Tokyo 2020 to see if I can find a Rocky Wrench & then play Woody Woods on Mario Party Superstars. You have to understand that not all tasks can be gotten to immediately Bawitdaba (talk) 21:44, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
I understand, anyways take your time there is no need to rush. Also, what should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:00, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Edit the Tank page (once I add the concept art for the Tank & Rocky to there). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:15, October 9, 2022 (UTC)

Vehicle infobox

Ok, what infobox is best for vehicles? Cause I wanted to add an infobox for both the airship and tank page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:20, October 9, 2022 (UTC)

Good thinking -- we should design a vehicle infobox. What parameters did you have in mind? Obviously |first_appearance= and latest_appearance= would be two of them. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:35, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe like a owners section I can’t think of anything right now sorry. Also the time stamp is 1:39. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:40, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Not seeing it -- which video are you watching? Bawitdaba (talk) 22:54, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
This one which is like higher quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXha79EO_aU MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:07, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Okay, done Bawitdaba (talk) 23:25, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:34, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Also do you mind adding airship appearances that haven’t been listed on the page yet like the Paper Mario series? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:51, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Like in a list of appearances table section? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:54, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, but also having the apperances in the history section to. You can check the Super Mario Wiki but some airships like the ones in Donkeh Kong and Yoshi’s Crafted World are defiantly not the Koopa Troop airships you agree? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:56, October 9, 2022 (UTC)
For sure -- there's four franchises within the overarching Mario franchise: Mario, Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong. One need to make sure to not confuse subjects between the franchises or even series (e.g. Keys in Luigi's Mansion series are their own subject separate from regular keys in Mario titles). Bawitdaba (talk) 00:00, October 10, 2022 (UTC)
Also, mind revamping the Grinder page later since it incorrectly called Wakiri (the buzzsaw enemies from Super Mario Land 2) as Grinders despite them being completely separate. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:04, October 10, 2022 (UTC)
I could do so sometime, but should we make a separate PipeProject? These aren't Monty Mole-related, so I figured we could do a separate PipeProject for these. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:07, October 10, 2022 (UTC)
Maybe, but I will at least remove the Super Mario Land 2 stuff from the Grinder page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:08, October 10, 2022 (UTC)

Grinder/Ukikis

Why are Grinder and Ukiki two different species because I am unsure why that is that? In Yoshi’s New Island, Grinders are called Ukikis so mind explaining that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:39, October 10, 2022 (UTC)

You'd need to ask HannaMontanaFan -- I do agree with you that they're the same. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:54, October 10, 2022 (UTC)
Oh also, do you mind getting Monty Mole species related images from Supper Mario Broth and Small Mario Findings? Right now I will upload an image from an extremely obscure officially licensed Brazilian Mario magazine which had unique Monty Mole artwork, but do you mind finding other images and uploading them? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:59, October 10, 2022 (UTC)
Not sure because that would be a heck of a lot to look through Bawitdaba (talk) 00:50, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
You can do it anytime you feel like it, I just think it would be cool since it has a lot of obscure stuff. Also, you agree the Brazilian magazine thing I found is cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:25, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah it def is cool -- I did not know it existed! Bawitdaba (talk) 02:01, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I didn’t know either, wanna work on like adding the obscure Monty Mole species stuff documented on Supper Mario Broth and Small Mario Findings tomorrow? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:22, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
Is Play Nintendo a reliable source? The reason I am asking this is because Presenter was referred to as Monty Mole by them (though this is for the 3Ds remake, but still). The proof I have is right here: https://play.nintendo.com/news-tips/tips-tricks/mario-luigi-superstar-saga-bowsers-minions-tips-tricks/ MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:09, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
Yes, ofc it is Bawitdaba (talk) 19:08, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
Yeah I saw the reasonings on the fandom Mario Wiki talk page so I do agree. I was wondering if we should split the remake Presenters as standard Monty Moles while the Presenter page is strictly for the original ones. I had a large discussion of it on NewSuperMarioBrosFan’s message wall if you want to check it out. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:04, October 11, 2022 (UTC)
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