User talk:Eeyore the Iowan Goat/Archive 1

Hello:

Hello there once again. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 17:56, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

@DarkMatterMan4500: Hey there, what's up? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:57, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba: Is it possible if I become an administrator here as well? :/ --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 18:01, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

@DarkMatterMan4500: Yeah it is (also why the :/ ? ) Bawitdaba (talk) 18:03, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

No reason. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 18:06, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

Name Changes

While I do appreciate you fixing up some of the names, there was one that you renamed a bit too hasty. Grand Goomba is one example, most of the guides I own refer to them as such. Their other name (Big Goomba) is merely a nickname (as is Giant Goomba and Mega Goomba), in fact, if you read the SSB description, Mega Goombas are differnet to Grand Goombas (esp. as they're larger). But thanks for your work and keep going! :) HannahMontanaFan

@HannahMontanaFan: Oh, I'm so sorry if I messed that up. Thank you for clarifying and fixing that for me :) Bawitdaba (talk) 22:42, May 16, 2022 (UTC)

@HannahMontanaFan: I think one other thing to consider is counting the instances of names being used to then weigh out the options. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:50, May 16, 2022 (UTC)

Disabling the Quick commons box

Hello Bawitdaba (talk),

What was your thought process of disabling this for? I had those turned on for a reason, and turning it off just messes up a majority of templates that uses this option. Please don't turn it off again, as it will only screw up certain pages. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 01:27, May 31, 2022 (UTC)

@DarkMatterMan4500: Okay sorry, it was just that I thought the images could be manually added. Sometimes basic file names turn out to show weird images irrelevant to wiki, so that why I disabled at first. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:15, May 31, 2022 (UTC)

Monty Mole species page help

Good news, I finished all the species and relatives pages for the Monty Mole species (besides most images and the Big Monty Mole page since that page will be worked on later, I have certain plans for that page) all that is left nkw are the Monty Mole character pages, so mind helping me with making them? Also are you ready to help with image uploading (the manga sections were from the December 15 2021 revision so you can find where the manga images go by using that revision). After this, I will start adding some new information and pages. So wanna help now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:36, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

@MontyMoleLoreMaster: On it, and I added an image just now (rn i'm currently formatting what you managed to bring over) Bawitdaba (talk) 16:39, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

So how is the process of adding all the images going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:15, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

@MontyMoleLoreMaster: going well, thank you -- as a bonus I'm touching up some of the original descriptions Bawitdaba (talk) 17:17, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I will continue making the pages, I will mostly just upload images for the infobox for now at least, you can upload most of the images for the stuff not in the infobox. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:28, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 17:30, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Oh and also, mind making a template for pages that use names from other languages (like most of the manga characters)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:38, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

We have a template called {{foreign names}} if that's what you're referring to? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:40, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, mind placing that template for the manga moles and Presenter and Ragumo? Also what the hell was the Chicko-d name listed for Monty Tank?MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:42, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Not sure about the Chicko-d name, but I managed to upload all the images for the Mega Mole article. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:54, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, you own Super Mario-kun volumes to? I see you uploaded a scan of Choropūko that wasn’t the two I uploaded. Oh and also, do you know Japanese? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:08, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

@MontyMoleLoreMaster: I don't own them -- I found them on archive.org. Also, I do not know Japanese -- do you speak it? (assuming so, as you were able to create so many Monty Mole-related articles from Japan-only manga). Bawitdaba (talk) 19:15, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Sadly I can’t speak Japanese, I got the translations from the help of other users. Know anyone that can read Japanese? Oh also, they actually uploaded Super Mario-kun volumes on archive.org? Any other Mario manga they uploaded as well? The Super Mario-kun scans I provided were mostly from either physical scans from volumes I physically own or from a now privated Mario manga archive on Random Hoo Haas. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:19, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately I do not know of any people. This doesn't seem to be private though? Also, the Mario-kun manga is all that I found. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:22, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I finally finished all the Monty Mole species pages, I got lazy and didn’t upload the Pūko images so mind doing that? Also, mind replacing all the physical Super Mario-kun scans I uploaded with digital ones? Finally, would Pūko be part Rocky Wrench or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:08, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

I can get to that. As for Pūko, I think its resemblance and the "Pū" prefix makes it safe to say that it is in part a Rocky Wrench -- and it's been established that Rocky Wrenches are relatives of Monty Moles. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:30, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, I will help add that info, also mind replacing the physical scan images with the digital scans and continuing to help with manga sections? Also can the non-canon template be removed since most Mario games are never outright stated to be not canon (the only exception is maybe SMB2 since it was a dream). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:33, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I personally don't like the canon or spoiler templates ("canon" shouldn't even be a word imo -- it should be "continuity"), but it was HMfan who added both those. I can definitely help replace a lot of those images that you requested (the Super Mario-kun ones). Bawitdaba (talk) 20:37, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, mind telling me how much progress you helped with (like new pages or image uploading)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:21, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

I'm still adding all the images to the Monty Mole article right now -- I haven't gotten to making the Big/Mega Monty Mole articles or replacing the Mario-kun scans yet Bawitdaba (talk) 21:24, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, just remind me when you do. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:48, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, this is a loooot of work. I'm close to done on uploading files for the Monty Mole article (the gallery is a whole different beast to tackle). I decided to split the Rocky Wrench gallery into its own subpage, if that helps. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:53, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

I revamped the King Monty Mole page if you want to check it out, also mind making the Big Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole pages right now? Also, also, should origami enemies get their own pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:26, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I could possibly check it out. Might want to ask HMfan about the origami enemies (if they have the same name as standard counterpart). also yes, i'll do right now Bawitdaba (talk) 23:41, September 5, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I am done with making pages for now at least (I will go watch some YouTube right now), I will check back on to see what new stuff has been added later don't worry. Oh also wanna check my Monty Mole iceberg out and give ideas on what new entries I should put on it? The link for it is here: https://icebergcharts.com/i/The_Monty_Mole_Iceberg_Getaway MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:54, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

I probably don't have any, as I'm not as well versed in Monty Moles (or Rocky Wrenches) as you are, but I definitely love the thought and effort behind it. It looks really cool! Bawitdaba (talk) 00:58, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Well the good news is that this wiki is nearly caught up on images (besides gallery stuff), is it cool if you can help find someone who can translate Japanese? Oh and also, are you ready to replace the physical Mario manga images I uploaded with digital ones? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:01, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Yep, we've added a lot of those images. :) Also, I have stated that I don't know any such people, but there are definitely some on TCRF who know Japanese. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:04, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Cool, mind asking someone on there if they could help with translations since I can’t make a TCRF account due to not liking to use Discord (not because I am a little kid or anything, I just do not like using Discord)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:09, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Same here -- I regret having used Discord in the past and at some point went "it's time to grow up." Do you know anyone in real life who knows Japanese? Also, as for TCRF, I meant asking on the wiki itself. Also, yes, I still do plan on getting to replacing those Mario-kun images. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:12, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Trust me I tried finding someone yet I could find nobody, can you check the fandom Mario Wiki for anyone who could help? I probably won’t edit as much today cause of school starting for me tomorrow and all but I will still be able to make edits occasionally. Today has just been a big day you know. I do have translations for volume 3 of Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater which I had before getting banned on Super Mario Wiki, I will use those translations for when I get to writing the sections later. By the way Mariuigi Khed helped me translate in the past (which is where most of the translations I got were from) and they were a pretty nice Super Mario Wiki user. I couldn't contact them after I got banned so if you could contact them, mind asking them to help? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:23, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, mind expanding the Paper Mario: The Origami King section for the Monty Mole page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:28, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

@MontyMoleLoreMaster: Yeah, I'm out of school -- sounds like this wiki came at a good time for you -- with the back to school stress & whatnot. Also, sadly I'm banned as well (rip). looks like he has an account on mariowiki.it, if you want to try there. He hasn't edited there in a few years, but seems to frequently update Italian names, so that's how I guessed him having an account. I'd say it's worth a shot. Also, I'm more versed in the Donkey Kong franchise, Super Mario series, Mario Kart series, Mario Party series, and so forth (Mario RPGs, some reason, aren't my strong point, prob because I'm more into platforming). However, I'll see if I can try a little bit on that Origami King section at least, but prob won't have much to say. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:32, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

The Origami King section could be similar to the one on the Fandom wiki (speaking of which, mind uploading that Breezy Tunnel screenshot to?) but I did have a quick question? How can I label a species page with their voice actor (since Charles Martinet is the person who voiced Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole due to the voice clips of Monty Moles being heavily edited Super Mario 64 Mario voice clips which ironically were used ever since that game)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:41, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Good point -- I've added a portrayed_by parameter just now in the infobox. And thank you for heads-up (I was wondering whether to check MarioWiki on Fandom). Bawitdaba (talk) 01:44, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Oh and also, I can’t edit on the Italian wiki cause I am banned from it as well. If you can edit on it mind asking him? If you can’t edit on it mind trying to find someone on the fandom Mario Wiki that can help with translating Japanese for this wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:46, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Seems NSMBFan said they knew someone named BananasAreAnnoying who hadn't been on since December, though I think it wouldn't hurt to try contacting them on the Mario Kart Wiki (where they're said to be). Also, you banned on the Italian wiki as well? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:50, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah for some reason (maybe because I was banned on the English one as well). Also, mind helping me find a source that said John Stocker voiced Monty Moles in the Super Mario World TV series? I could not really find any sources so I would very much appreciate some help. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:54, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

I checked his IMDb & it only has mention of Oogtar, although the Random Hoo Has and Wikibooks (this was originally a Wikipedia article & seems a random IP added that piece of info), though said he does their singing voice -- does it mention this in the episode's end credits? (check for "Gopher" as they're named that in SMW TV series). Bawitdaba (talk) 02:05, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia page for the SMW cartoon says that John Stocker voiced the Gophers, also can you check the episode’s end credits since Gopher Bash can easily be found on YouTube? If you find the source that says John Stocker voiced Monty Mole just screenshot it as proof. Oh also, what Mario games are you good at getting high quality screenshots for? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:33, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

I should be able to get screenshots for retro ones -- N64/GCN/Wii, however, aren't ones I'm good at retrieving captures for. Also, it only mentions the cast -- not who they voiced. Man... Bawitdaba (talk) 02:39, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Mind getting a good screenshot for when Monty Mole has its skeleton exposed in Mario Strikers Charged when hitting an electric fence? Oh, also mind getting a screenshot for Monty Mole’s appearance in Mario Golf 64 since all I could get was a weird screenshot from a Japanese website and that is about it. Oh and are you able to get screenshots of Monty Mole in the crowd in Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 7? Oh, and mind reuploading that one Mario Superstar Baseball Monty Mole screenshot in the correct aspect ratio? Oh and I am curious what handheld consoles are you good at uploading images for? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:58, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

I said I was Not good at retrieving images for consoles such as N64, GameCube, and Wii. I can do GB/GBC/GBA and perhaps Nintendo DS. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:01, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, maybe today or tomorrow do you mind removing all the non-canonical information notices from pages (thankfully pages with it have a category that shows all the pages with the information so you can remove it easily). Oh and so,time mind making a page for the wrenched that Rocky Wrench throws (plus the big crescent ones from Color Splash)? Oh and sorry about confusing the screenshots on what you had. If you are taking about those consoles, mind getting a good screenshot of Ragumo from Super Mario Land 2? Oh and also mind getting more screenshots for the Fawful Express fight and cutscene from the original Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story and a screenshot in the Tower of Yikk battle when the Mawful Moles attempt to fix the tower? Oh and also a screenshot of Metal Mawful Moles running away from Bowser in a battle? Sorry if the screenshot requests are a little overwhelming, though I do wonder what happens with the Mawful Moles when Bowser punches the Tower of Yikk instead of breathing fire on it? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:05, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Also, should I put the Dinosaur Dilemma and Flown the Koopa Mega Mole info under the inappropriate label since the Mega Moles are extremely disturbing and malicious in those books, or should it just be kept normally? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:10, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Oh and two last questions, mind fixing the years for most Monty Mole species pages (since I accidentally gave the year of the appearances the wrong text)? And how do I propose the deletion of a page, since I want to make a deletion request for Chubby (I usually don’t delete pages, but Chubby is a rare exception)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:23, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

If you want to add that Inappropriate label, sure. I don't think "Chubby" has to be deleted, but perhaps just redirected to the Mario Kart 64 section of Monty Mole, discussing the name "Chubby." I will prob remove all those noncanon tags as, again, I didn't add them ( i did style the template though). As for wrench articles, I was actually thinking about that earlier, yeah. The BiS requests could possibly be doable but a bit difficult (or time-consuming as might have to do a fresh playthrough, which i've not done in years) -- not saying no, i just saying might take a while. Ragumo I could probably do. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:48, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Also, mind making sure the Mario Portal is not used as a source to confirm names, as it have been proven that it states illegitimate and wrong info (such as calling SMG Monty a Rocky Wrench)? Just remove any sources using Mario Portal and replace the name with an official one. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:53, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Official sources can sometimes make errors as well, and Mario Portal is an official website, so if they get things wrong, we can document them accordingly. Prima Guides have made mistakes several times before & are considered official. The Rocky Wrench is definitely an error Bawitdaba (talk) 04:02, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Mind checking what I said on the message wall with NewSuperMarioBrosFan? Me and him basically proved that the sources were illegitimate due to the amount of errors and inconsistencies that it had because it stated factually wrong info by giving the wrong names for enemies either from different games and calling them a completely separate species (like with SMG Monty being called a Rocky Wrench) along with other errors. (Proof: https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:NewSuperMarioBrosFan?threadId=4400000000000277796#4400000000000856114). Also, I checked the Super Mario Land 2 section and it is also untrustworthy. It is very inconsistent with names either using the Japanese names or conjectural English nicknames (like calling Neīgī a screw despite it being called that as a generic name in the Nintendo Power magazine). So yeah, Mario Portal is on par with the English Super Mario Encyclopedia in terms of reliability cause of the massive amount of errors and flat out wrong information, it seems like the Mario Portal just took names from the Mario Wiki. As for Prima Guides, the NSMB2 and NSMBU ones are the only ones that really had errors, for the most part they are fine. I don’t think Prima Guides got as bad as the Mario Portal SMG Monty being called a Rocky Wrench. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:20, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I renamed all the Super Mario Land 2 enemies that illegitimately used the Mario Portal as a source for an official name. Please do not rename them back to their Mario Portal name because the Mario Portal is proven to be completely untrustworthy and inaccurate with most enemy names and very inconsistent. The multitude of errors and flat out wrong names does not make it a good source to prove an official name or species connection because everything is extremely vague on whether or not it is an error or actual fact. Even in the Super Mario Land 2 Mario Portal page, the enemy names are inconsistent either being the Japanese name or a generic English name. So, with all that being said please do not use Mario Portal as an "official" source. I hope you understand and can not use these names in the future. Also, I made a rule on the naming section of the rules page about not using illegitimate sources for names. Oh and also, mind telling me how I can make a merge request for a page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 10:19, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Oh and also, mind making a section on the Monty Mole page discussing their personality and characteristics (like the Wiggler page which is what I was inspired from with this idea)? Oh and also, is the Turtle Tribe confirmed to be talking about Koopas or is it just a nake for the Koopa Troop? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 11:00, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Merge requests can be done via the {{Merge to}} template. Turtle Tribe....good question, sounds ambiguous but am not sure. But yeah I do remember HMfan being hesitant with Mario Portal naming. I could possibly have a go at a Monty Mole personality section, under General information. Bawitdaba (talk) 12:26, September 6, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I finished the Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater volume 3 sections for both Monty Mole and Wonderland Monty Mole’s page. Are you cool with checking them out? Also, what should I do next? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:40, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Not sure, what do you want to do next? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:44, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I can make the origami Rocky Wrench and origami Monty Mole page later (after a break), are you still busy with the galleries? After you are done with the galleries mind trying to help contact anyone who can translate Japanese for us? Also, what do you think on the Wonderland Monty Mole page and the volume 3 info in the Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater section on the Monty Mole page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:48, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yea the gallery uploads are still a WIP. Also, didn't I already refer you to someone to contact (Japanese Mario Fandom admin)? As for Monty Mole, I think it was a good call on your part to split the character into an individual article. You're doing a good job with the Monty Mole pages :) Bawitdaba (talk) 02:05, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah fair, mind also contacting that same person as well to see if they will respond to you? Oh and also, when you are done with the mole galleries mind helping remove all the not canon information notices cause of it being dumb? Also, thanks for appreciating my work, any other Monty Mole species stuff I can help with right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:38, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Seeing as I'm busy adding the images for before I go to bed in 1-2hrs (then there's also those Rocky Wrench images), do you want to expand the Monty Mole article with the characteristics section like you suggested I do earlier? Bawitdaba (talk) 02:40, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah sure, I did do a lot of work today so I might not do anything too big for the rest of the day. Also, do you think the Wonderland Monty Mole page is well made? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:50, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I do like it, yes -- I did say that it was a good idea to split it into its own article seeing as he's a character (just with same name as the species). :) Bawitdaba (talk) 02:54, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, kind of like the Mario Party Advance Monty Mole. Also are you ready to add a characteristics section on the Monty Mole page yet or later after the galleries? I was inspired by the one on the Wiggler page. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:02, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Later, or perhaps you can do it seeing as you're asking about which tasks are available Bawitdaba (talk) 03:04, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I can wait later, you can create the section and I can add onto it if there is anything that could be added. Also, mind messaging the Japanese guy to help as well, maybe he could listen to you better maybe? I will give it a day or two to see if he responds, good plan? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:11, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Sure, but you do have to be patient as people can't always get to helping out immediately. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:16, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I understand, also you forgot to upload a digital scan of Choropū (Haha). Anyways, anything I should do right now (sometimes I need help getting a good starting place to help me)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:22, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

You could check the maintenance section, which lists some to-do tasks Bawitdaba (talk) 03:28, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, tomorrow is it cool if I make the origami Rocky Wrench and origami Monty Mole pages and you can remove all the not cannon information templates on several pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:40, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I'll do right now, and yes that's cool with me Bawitdaba (talk) 03:42, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Cool, also would Ghost Monty Mole be relatives to Choropū Men’iwa because they are both deceased Monty Mole spirits? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:49, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say so (non-canon-related stuff has been removed per your request by the way) Bawitdaba (talk) 03:50, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Cool, also mind fixing the years shown by the appearances on most Monty Mole species pages, cause the link for most of them is broken (it should be written like how it is on the main Monty Mole page). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:53, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I plan on allowing articles for specific years (e.g. 1990), if that's what you're referring to Bawitdaba (talk) 03:54, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, I am going to be at school for the majority of the day so are you cool with getting some of the stuff listed on the PipeProject done while I am gone tomorrow (like the gallery stuff)? Also, mind making more navboxes for certain games that don’t have them? Also, do you mind telling me when the Japanese user responded? Anyways thanks for the help. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:00, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I will do what I can, yes. Keep in mind I also manage several other wikis (some of them being listed in Affiliates sidebar), so I will also need to do some stuff on them as well. And yeah I will notify if doable Bawitdaba (talk) 04:04, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah that is understandable, I am also on multiple wikis to, I will being going to sleep now, see ya tomorrow after I finish school. Also, any ideas for other Monty Mole species moles that need pages right now? Anyways I hope you can help with the Monty Mole species stuff while I am in school but if not that is fine. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:12, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Good night, hope you rest up well! And I don't have any ideas for Monty Mole mole pages, but like I said, I'll do what I can tomorrow. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:17, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks. :) MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:19, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

No prob bud Bawitdaba (talk) 04:19, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I am back, so what did I miss? Also should Rocky Wrench be a Monty Mole relative or a Monty Mole species, just wondering what you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:41, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Relative. You didn't miss too mcuh aside from me setting up Wariopedia and Zeldapedia mini-wikis & uploading some more missing Monty Mole gallery images. Looks like the Japanese guy still has not responded yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:59, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, I am going to make an origami Rocky Wrench page right now and I was wondering if you are good at taking screenshots from Nintendo switch games (especially Yoshi’s Crafted World and Paper Mario: The Origami King)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:13, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

I have a Switch Lite that I can take screenshots from, yes, but I have neither of those two games Bawitdaba (talk) 22:40, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, also mind having the text being shown on the Macchoropū image (like how it looked like in the original version I uploaded)? Also, I made the origami Rocky Wrench page. Also, mind finishing the Morty Mole images (it is like two that need to be uploaded) and adding an image of the Super Mario-kun volume 55 ghost Monty Mole? Oh also mind adding the other language names for big Monty Mole since all the other language names for them are on the talk page for big Monty Mole on the Mario Wiki? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:55, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Add these to PipeProject:Monty Moles so I can remember to get to them Bawitdaba (talk) 23:04, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Done, also how do I make pages for a character with no image? Oh and do you have anything I should do (I like having directions to help me get started on what to do next)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:23, September 7, 2022 (UTC)

Add {{image}} at the top of an article with no image. Try expanding the Monty Mole article Bawitdaba (talk) 00:31, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

So what is your plan after finishing the Monty Mole gallery? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:08, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Plan for what? Bawitdaba (talk) 02:08, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

On like, what PipeProject or something to do next? Also, mind sending a fandom message and email to Mariuigi Khed right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:09, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Why do you want me to send him a message? (i never talked to him before tbh & I wouldn't know what to say, as I'm not doing the manga research) As for PipeProject to-do: probably try to get a screenshot of a Ragumo in Super Mario Land 2 Bawitdaba (talk) 02:11, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, I will send him an email myself and wait to see if he responds. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:16, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

I emailed Mariuigi Khed, so uh how long do you think it will take for a response? Also, what do you think that origami Monty Mole concept art is even meant to represent? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:28, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Unsure of length it will take for a response -- it depends on the person's schedule, time zone, etc. Not sure about the Monty Mole concept art either Bawitdaba (talk) 03:10, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Also, can you help tell me how to fix the glitch that causes me to have images using older revisions? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:28, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Must be an issue with your device -- do you try to access Mariopedia on any other device to confirm? Bawitdaba (talk) 03:30, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

LI haven’t, I am using an iPad on safari by the way, any ideas to stop the glitch. Also, how is progress going on the gallery? Also, should the constellations from Mario Party 9 have their own pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:39, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

I don't have an iPad, so I am unsure of how to stop the glitch -- might be a caching issue. Is there a different internet browser app that you can use for your iPad? Also, an article for constellations in general, yes. Gallery is getting there but is not done yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:42, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I might try that, I do not really know what to do so mind telling me what I can do to help? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:48, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

You know those Mario Party minigames featuring Monty Moles (whack-a-mole type and whatnot)? Those don't have articles here yet. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:49, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah good point, I mainly wanted to do something for the Monty Mole species pages so mind suggesting something I can do there? I will watch some YouTube for now but I will get to that stuff later. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:53, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Create a "List of appearances" section for Monty Moles & relatives (e.g. Rocky Wrench), but only if they have made several appearances. A "List of appearances" section looks like this, for example. Bawitdaba (talk) 03:55, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Should I group manga series into one or have each individual volume having an appearance mention? Also are you cool with doing the Monty Mole one and I do a Rocky Wrench one to save on some time? Should Mega Mole have one to or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:02, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Sure we can split up the effort as such, and yes Mega Mole has made frequent appearances, so we can do it as well. Will need to be tomorrow though (me adding the List of appearances section) becuase I have to go to bed but am aiming to upload the remaining Monty Mole images before going to bed Bawitdaba (talk) 04:04, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds fair, also for manga should I like have each volume being an appearance or just group the manga series as a whole? Oh and do commercials count? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:12, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

List the individual volumes, yes. Commercials also count, although that would mean we should probably create a Television subsection (i.e. ===Television=== of ==List of appearances==) so that all these non-game appearances don't get mixed in with the game appearances. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:17, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh does this count for episodes as well? Anyways I do not think I am good to do this so mind doing it for me tomorrow? I could make some extra pages tomorrow cause I do have plans? Also should each individual constellation from Mario Party 9 have a pager just a group page? Is it cool if I write this stuff in the PipeProject? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:21, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, "Television" section would count for episodes too, and I can get to it, yes, but I can't guarantee if it will be tomorrow. And yes, go right ahead and create extra pages that you have planned. If there's enough differences between the constellations (in-game role, difference with game appearances, etc.), then they can each have their own article. And yeah you may write it in the PipeProject. Bawitdaba (talk) 04:25, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, you forgot to upload the image showing the Choropū Men'iwa spirit, just take it from the Mario Wiki. Tomorrow are you down with creating the list of appearances section for the Monty Mole species pages snd also helping with other PipeProject stuff? Thanks for the hard work on the wiki. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:30, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I think I'd be down for continuing tomorrow. And no prob, thank YOU for helping out so much! :) Bawitdaba (talk) 04:32, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Any Monty Mole species pages you would like to suggest me to make (characters, species, or relatives)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:35, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

I can't think of any at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 04:36, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, if you can think of any tomorrow please let me know, anyways I am done for the day, I might make a small edit here and there but nothing too major, goodnight. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:38, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Have a good sleep! Bawitdaba (talk) 04:39, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh one last question before I go. Can unused appearances count in the list of appearances (such as Monty Mole unused in Super Paper Mario)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 04:43, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

I'd keep those out because those did not end up becoming appearances in the retail product. Anyway, night! Bawitdaba (talk) 04:44, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

I will go to school soon so are you cool adding the stuff in the PipeProjects while I am gone? Also, I did talk to Mariuigi but he said he has some personal stuff to take care of. I will just be patient to see what he will do. Also if you don’t know what a Monty Mole species role was in the list of appearances, don’t worry I can write down their role for you, I am just bad with making the template if you understand. Oh also will remakes and remasters of games (excluding the E-Shop ones) be counted in the list of appearances? Some of the remakes have notable roles for Monty Moles like both the Super Mario Bros. 3 remakes and Super Mario 64 DS. Oh and one last thing, do you mind uploading the Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench models from The Models Resource into the galleries to? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:20, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

That's great news that he's still willing to help -- and yeah I have encouraged patience from you before because I know you're very eager to help get things done :P And yeah I get that you feel someone else is more attuned to formatting the template -- and ofc remakes/remasters are counted (and VC/Switch Online ports are excluded, yes). If I find any of the models, I can get to those as well, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 13:26, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Ok back from school, so what is new? Also Mariuigi said he is very busy with his personal life so I do not know when he will be open, I sent him a reply but he did not respond yet. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:41, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Well at least he's willing to help if he has the time, which is what counts in my opinion. What's new is that I finished the Rocky Wrench gallery & resorted it accordingly. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:53, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, I made the origami Monty Mole page of you want to see it? Oh and should the Choropū-dan (which is basically a bullet that shoots out Monty Moles that Bowser put in his rocket launcher) from KC Mario get their own page? Also would it be like an object since it is a bullet but considering it shoots out Monty Moles, can it still be considered a species? Anyways mind starting the list of appearances stuff? Also, anything else I can help with? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:58, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yes, give it its own page & I'd say it's safe to consider it as a species. As for List of appearances, I've mentioned something on your talk page. What you can help with -- perhaps retrieving YouTube video screencaps of Monty Moles and relatives from their various appearances (like MLBIS, G&WG G&WG2, etc) and marking them with {{image-quality}} so we can replace them some other time. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:03, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah maybe. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:06, September 8, 2022 (UTC)

WAIT, Monty Mole actually appeared three years prior to their debut in the NES Tournament Golf box art, mind explaining it please? Also would the mole on the cover be a Monty Mole, just wondering (there was a Monty Mole cameo in the table of contents page for the arc based on NES Open Tournament Golf)? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:50, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Not confirmed to be a Monty Mole, but is noted to resemble a Monty Mole Bawitdaba (talk) 00:54, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Also would this count as the first Monty Mole appearance or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:14, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

I would say no, but it's an interesting point nonetheless I'd say Bawitdaba (talk) 01:32, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Also does that Monty Mole cameo in the KC Mario arc for NES Open Tournament Golf basically imply that the mole on the cover is a Monty Mole? Oh and, mind showing me the image of the early NES Open Tournament Golf mole thing? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:34, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

This is the Japanese cover art. Wait, oops, looks like I was wrong about the release date. I was thinking about FC Golf: US Course and FC Golf: Japan Course. Sorry for the mix-up! Bawitdaba (talk) 01:50, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting that error, oh also mind making the Choropū-dan page have better writing is that fine with you? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:55, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

No prob, and I'll take a look Bawitdaba (talk) 02:00, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Should I make the page for the Fun, Funky, and Functional Monty Mole now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:10, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 02:13, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

I finished the Fun, Funky, and Functional Monty Mole page, so how is progress going on the list of appearances? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:50, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

@MontyMoleLoreMaster: See for yourself: Monty Mole#List of appearances :) Bawitdaba (talk) 03:09, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I will check it out, are you going to do Rocky Wrench or Mega Mole next or is that like tomorrow? I will probably go to sleep after O am done checking this out. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:12, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Alright I checked it out, it was really good but there were a few things I want to mention. You forgot a couple of roles in some of the appearances (though I added them so don’t worry), the book sections is heavily finished (though if you want to do it later that is fine). I did see one major error though where you said Monty Mole appeared in Super Mario Galaxy in the Super Mario 3D All Stars section despite being completely absent from that game (though I corrected the error), I was wondering why you put that there? Anyways, other then that you did a great job and I was happy to tweak some of the appearances. Any questions? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:48, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Nope I think that's good to know, thank you! And I appreciate you liking & fixing some mistakes along the way. I'll see when I can get to Rocky & Mega Mole's List of appearance Bawitdaba (talk) 12:05, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

So anything happening lately? I recently got the Mario Kart 64 volume of 4koma Gag Battle and it did have one Monty Mole appearance, are you interested in seeing it? Also, what do I do with the image area for a character with an unknown appearance? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:28, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

If you don't have an image, leave it blank and add {{image}} at the top of the article. Yes, I would like to see that, thank you Bawitdaba (talk) 23:37, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, what do you think on this appearance (if you can’t see it please let me know)? https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/?ui=2&view=btop&ver=19f7jzpo7tp05#attid%253Datt_1832457cfad85c45_0.1_ii_l7v1klcz0 MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:43, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

I can't see it Bawitdaba (talk) 23:47, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

Ok here is a better link, tell me what you think the Monty Mole strip is meant to represent: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/45354/ MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:57, September 9, 2022 (UTC)

No clue Bawitdaba (talk) 00:14, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, should the fall variant enemies from Super Mario World and Super Mario-kun get their own pages or be grouped into one page like in the Super Mario Wiki? I am pretty sure maybe the former cause the ones in Super Mario World have unique names. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:26, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Split into separate articles, like what I did with Jumping Pumpkin Plant, for instance. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:44, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, also does this apply for the unique fall variant enemies that appeared in Super Mario-kun volume 2? Also, do you agree that Mischievous Mole is most likely a Monty Mole? Finally, wanna upload a screenshot of Mischievous Mole being mentioned or something? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:41, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it counts for the fall variants in the Mario-kun manga as well. I agree it's probably a notable member of Monty Mole. As for screenshot of mischievous mole, I'm unsure Bawitdaba (talk) 03:50, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Oh are you cool with making pages for all the fall variant enemies (including the Super Mario-kun ones)? Oh also, what is up with the naming of Podoboo/Lava Bubble? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:52, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I currently don't have any immediate plans to get to creating the fall variant articles. Also, HMfan deems the Lava Bubbles from Paper Mario separate from Podoboos -- you'll have to ask about it because I'm unsure. Bawitdaba (talk) 11:06, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I seriously do not want to have that stupid glitch that makes older image revisions appear instead of the current one can you please tell me how to remove the glitch? Also how do I remove all the cache? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:09, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I found a tutorial that might help Bawitdaba (talk) 12:16, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

If I delete all my website data will it like reset the websites so I am logged of? Also, what about my question to stop the image glitch? Finally, anything I can do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:23, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I would only delete the data for Mariopedia/Miraheze in particular, and it might be related to the image glitch that you're encountering (like I've said before, I don't use Safari, so I am unaware of this glitch). Not sure, do you have any ideas on what you want to do? Bawitdaba (talk) 12:25, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Expanding the publication list of appearances section? Wanna make the Rocky Wrench and Mega Mole appearances sections now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:32, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that should be a good idea of something for you to do, as I'm not as well versed in the manga. Also, I could get to those, yes, but may take a while Bawitdaba (talk) 12:33, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool. Oh also why did you originally list Monty Mole appearing Galaxy for the description of their appearance in Super Mario 3D All Stars? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:34, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

It was a mistake I made, and I apologize for that. Thank you for fixing it Bawitdaba (talk) 12:37, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

No problem, also I fixed the image glitch and the images are back to normal now. Oh also, any new Monty Mole lore recently discovered? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 12:49, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

You're the expert, so you tell me :P Bawitdaba (talk) 12:51, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Should I make a page for the Mega Mole family that make cameos in the second 4koma volume of KC Mario. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:12, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 12:58, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I will later. What are you working on right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:12, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Rocky Wrench list of appearances section Bawitdaba (talk) 13:13, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool. I will take a small break watching YouTube then I will get to work. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:17, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Also do you know anything on Monty Mole’s appearance in Mario Party 4? It said that they appeared in that game according to Mario Party Superstars. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:55, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like they made a mistake with that Bawitdaba (talk) 13:57, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

How is the Rocky Wrench appearances section going? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:08, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Give me time to finish it & the Mega Mole sections. It's underway for Rocky Wrench, but still yet to do Mega Mole (as I'm working on Rocky Wrench's rn) Bawitdaba (talk) 14:09, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I just wanted to check on the progress you don’t need to rush or anything. Just take your time and you will be fine, I am not mad or trying to make you rush or anything. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 14:19, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Okay, check out the list of appearances section Bawitdaba (talk) 14:28, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Minor image request, so uh mind making the Macchoropū image show the text (like how I had it previously)? Oh and can the Monty Mole image for volume 19 have the multiple Monty Moles being shown? Thanks. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:43, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Which pages are these images on at the moment? Bawitdaba (talk) 16:47, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Choropū the Picasso for the former and the Super Mario-kun section on the Monty Mole page for the latter. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:22, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Done and done. Also I saw just now what you're talking about with image glitch, as the images on Monty Mole page didn't immediately update. I just pressed Ctrl + Shift + R, and that solved the issue. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:44, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Well I am on mobile so I can’t do that, also the images you uploaded look great. Anything else we should do now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:53, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I'll leave you to decide that -- perhaps check PipeProject:Monty Moles or ask HMfan about what to do next. I did mention I take a break from editing all these Monty Mole-related articles as I've done a lot (and need to focus on my other wikis a bit as well). I don't know when I'll get back to it (you don't need to ask as I'll decide that in my own time). Bawitdaba (talk) 17:58, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah fair, there is only one really major thing that could be made, mind making a section talking about Monty Mole characteristics and traits (like what some enemy pages have)? You can make the section and I can add more stuff to it. Anyways if you want to take a break that is fine, just tell me when your ready to work again. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:47, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I'll see if I can do it in my own time, but I will go ahead and list it in the PipeProject Bawitdaba (talk) 18:48, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool, are you also fine if I ask questions occasionally as well? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:27, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, can you still help try and find someone who can help us with Japanese translations since most of my attempts either nobody responded or with Mariugi he is busy with personal stuff (which is fine and all for him but it is kind of inconvenient, not blaming him or anything). Ideally someone who is more active and not just inactive most of the time. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:34, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Also, I saw on the Jumping Venus Fire Trap page that you linked a name from Mario Portal which like I said is illegitimate. Please do not use names from that website unless they were said in another more credible source (even if the name seems reliable, the source itself is extremely inconsistent so it can’t really be trusted because of the amount of stuff it has that is wrong). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:44, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing you may ask questions. Maybe you could ask Khed translation for individual pages, if you'd like. Also, reliable or not, I thought that at least acknowledging that Nintendo Japan's official website use the name has to be done because it not a fansite, so I thought as a compromise. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:48, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Like I said, I asked Khed and he said he was busy with personal life. I did try to send another mail a few days ago but he hasn’t responded yet (probably from personal stuff). So are you still willing to help with helping find someone for translations, and hopefully it is someone who is active? Also, you didn’t even use the Japanese version of the website and rather the English one which like I said is extremely scuffed and inaccurate (I am not sure if the Japanese version is better, but I am pretty sure it isn’t AS bad as the English one since I think it didn’t call Monty a Rocky Wrench snd rather used the actual name). Also, I still do t really think we should credit the Mario Portal even as a side source since it has been proven to be an illegitimate source, it would kind of be like if we credited the Super Mario Encyclopedia as a side source or something. I am not mad or anything I just wanted to explain my thoughts. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:04, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah although inaccurate or not, it's still on an official source & while it does not have to determine naming for an article, we shouldn't pretend like it's not there. Like what if an official source called Mario "Luigi" three times? Would that be grounds to not mention it? Also, as for Japanese naming, there is this effort in which they are trying to translate the KC Mario manga, though looks like it cost money to buy Bawitdaba (talk) 20:13, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Well that is a cool translation effort for KC Mario, but I was asking if you could help find someone active that can help translate Japanese if that is fine with you? Also, I still think saying that Mario Portal is canon is like saying the Super Mario Encyclopedia is canon despite both sources being proven to be false and inaccurate. No matter how official a source is, it should not really be credited if it features multiple errors and flat out wrong info because it cannot be trusted. I am not mad, I am just hoping you can understand what I am trying to say. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:59, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I do get what you're saying, and what I'm saying is that inaccurate does not equal unofficial. It's our job to point out inaccuracies. Also, I don't have any other ideas where to contact soemone who knows Japanese, but if an idea comes up, I'll definitely let you know. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:03, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Hmm I have an idea for a compromise, we can have trivia points talking about how the Mario Portal or Super Mario Encyclopedia made several errors and said wrong information and making sure it is firmly stated that the info is wrong. Does that sound good? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:07, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yes -- then at least it's mentioned in the article, clarified as inaccurate or debatably accurate, and not censored. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:12, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I still do not think it should be used as a legitimate source no matter how legitimate the name seems since of the amount of wrong info and errors that make it unreliable. Also, anything I should do right now? Oh and want to make the Monty Mole species characteristics and traits sections right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:17, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I said in my own time I'd do it & that you don't need to ask me to do it because I'll decide when to. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:19, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, anything I should do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:20, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Are there any Monty Mole relative articles still needing to be made? Bawitdaba (talk) 21:21, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

There is Hello Mole and also the fall variant for Monty Mole. Mind making the latter? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:23, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

So I suppose you could make articles for the former then? Also, are you talking about the Fall variant in Super Mario World? Bawitdaba (talk) 21:25, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I will make the Hello Mole page, also the fall variant Monty Mole is from volume 2 of Super Mario-kun not in the actual Super Mario World. So are you making the page just wondering? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:30, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

The manga is your field of expertise, so I probably won't make the fall Monty Mole article. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:33, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Well it only made one appearance in a singular panel in volume 2, nothing really much beyond that. So what do you think about that? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:37, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Maybe I could do it then -- I thought it was like an entire volume or something. Is it on the PipeProject list? Bawitdaba (talk) 21:55, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Not yet, I an add it though. Mind doing some of the PipeProject stuff right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:21, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

In my own time, yes Bawitdaba (talk) 22:24, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, should I ask some of the other users here if they know or can find anyone that can translate Japanese? Also, ok cool. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:25, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Sure -- it not that I'm avoiding help, it that I focused on a bit of other stuff right now (like how I made that Snufit article), and I also have to leave to go see a friend soon. And yeah you can probably go right ahead and do that. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:29, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it is understandable that you have to do other things and I respect that, feel free to add or improve other pages. Also are you good with 3ds screenshots? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:34, September 10, 2022 (UTC)

I can get SSB3DS screenshots, though that from built in mode, but I'm not good wit Citra emulator, if that what you're wondering. What do you need retrieved? Bawitdaba (talk) 05:06, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Screenshots from the 3ds BIS remake (same as the ones I wanted for the original like the Mawful Mole battle screenshots, them repairing Tower of Yikk, and Fawful Express screenshots including when the Monty Bros. are on jetpacks, oh and Peach’s Castle Garden). Some more Mega Monty Mole screenshots from Mario Party: Star Rush wouldn’t hurt (like a screenshot of him in Toad Scramble and when he is getting angry). Some Super Mario Maker 3ds screenshots wouldn’t hurt since not many people take screenshots of that game. Lastly, maybe some Paper Jam and Dream Team Monty Mole screenshots. I already took plenty of 3D Land and Yoshi’s Wooly World (the 3ds remake) screenshots and I was wondering is it fine that I used the the highest setting to upscale the models in the game? Sorry if it seems like a lot, but the one I really want the most is easily the 3ds BIS screenshots since not many people had screenshots of that remake. Are you cool with doing that? Also I find it ironically how the games that have snapshot modes are the ones I do not even care all that much lol. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 13:42, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Make sure to add these to the list. I don't own a copy of the 3DS remake of BIS (tho I have the OG DS version) -- do you want me to see if I can acquire a copy for myself? Adding to the screenshot to-do list. Also, not so much ironic as it is unfortunate (for you). :P Also, as for upscaling -- it's one thing if it's the models, but another thing if it's the textures, which are not desinged to be upscaled, so that's why I prefer we keep at 400x240px standard. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:55, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah fair, is it fine if the screenshots that just show the models are just that? Anyways I will add this stuff to the to-do list, anything I should do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:12, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Sure -- and nothing occurs to mind right now, though sounds great that DMM might've found someone who could help you with manga translation Bawitdaba (talk) 15:15, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Well to be fair, having the native resolution is better for sprite based games like the Mario & Luigi games. So anything happening recently? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:41, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Nothing much different than usual (i.e. gaming and wiki editing) Bawitdaba (talk) 15:54, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah same, are you excited for someone to help with manga translations as I am. Do you wanna check out my Monty Mole iceberg or have you already? If so, do you think it is cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:20, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Yea I def think that's cool that he potentially found someone who can help you out. I have seen the iceberg photo, remember? I even said I liked it enough to have downloaded it to my computer :) Bawitdaba (talk) 16:31, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Oh thanks, any entries I should add or questions about if an entry is in a higher or lower tier than it should be? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:34, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Nothing comes to mind at the moment Bawitdaba (talk) 16:35, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok, what should I do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:39, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

I don't know, as said above (nothing occurin to mind rn). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:40, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Anyways what should I do right now? Any news on getting someone to help translate Japanese? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:31, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

The Mario Wiki

Hi, I was wondering what you think is the worst mistake the Super Mario Wiki made? For me personally, it was using Mario Portal like as a creditable source and making the Monty Mole species manga sections far worse. Also you agree Mogera Kong from volume 31 of Super Mario-kun is a Rocky Wrench or something? (It is on the implied characters section on Super Mario Wiki by the way). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:18, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't aware of Mogera King (as I haven't read the manga), but as for worst mistakes? Well I definitely despise their new site background (showing the Star, Fire Flower, Mushroom, ? mark) -- it looks washed out and corporate & doesn't take into account that Mario is unique in that it consists of related franchises with their own identity (e.g. Donkey Kong), so only listing motifs from Mario franchise doesn't take that into account. They also cut out significant chunks of the Mario article -- sure, while the article may be long, it's still erasing a ton of useful information. And yeah they def messed up deleting your Monty Mole sections -- that wasn't "summarizing," that was them outright removing information. They misused the word, and part of it might have been due to prejudice toward you. Merging Chomp with Chain Chomp was also a mistake; by that logic, should Koopa and Paratroopa be merged? stomping on a Paratroopa turns into a Koopa & removing a Chain Chomp's chain turns into a Chomp. There are some other things too, but these are among the few. I don't agree on you with the Mario Portal one, however, but I'm not starting a war over it with you. I have also said that this isn't my wiki -- I'm just second-in-charge here. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:29, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah the worst part of the manga section "summarizing" was that it was right when I was banned and the second time it happened it was when I had my talk page privileges revoked for saying how bad it was. Even the first manga section summary had several errors (like removing any mention of design changes despite the Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine sections mentioning the design, treating Super Choropū as a generic enlarged Monty Mole despite having an original name, treating a Monty Mole in volume 6 like it was two separate Monty Moles despite it being the same Monty Mole, merging two completely separate scenes just because a similar thing happened even though it was from two completely separate pages, etc). The second summary was even worse cause it just removed all the info from the volumes and just had very brief and poorly written summaries of the events and the person who did it treated it like it was a good thing that he did (these summaries also have errors like claiming the Monty Mole Swoopers fell in lava when they clearly didn’t, and making a summary on Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater only just based on the first two volumes and treating the Monty Mole from the Wonderland series as an ordinary Monty Mole despite it having a personality and appearing multiple times). It seems like Sdman213 (the person who made these edits) did not read the manga and just made poor "summaries" of them which were just removing a lot of vital info and treating important stuff as "flowery writing". Also about Mario Portal, me and NewSuperMarioBrosFan did look into it and that is how we found all the errors and wrong names/info. I personally think it shouldn’t be used (mainly because it treats an entirely separate mole enemy from Mario Galaxy as a Rocky Wrench despite them having nothing in common besides attack pattern). Anyways do you agree about those points on how it is bad? Also I see a cool large Monty Mole edit I will check it out soon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:14, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

From what I've seen, they revoked your talk privileges because you had information you wanted to add that you couldn't, so you hoped someone would help do it for you -- was a bad reason of their end if you as me. And yes I do agree it's bad & that it's a bad error on the Mario Portal.

Thing is, if they alienate editors like what they did to you, the people they ban would want to contribute their hard work elsewhere to a place that actually supports them -- like how me and a few others are supporting you and your edits -- and so the efforts inevitably diverge because they anger people or alienate people who don't like how the information is presented (if that counts). Bawitdaba (talk) 18:24, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah you make good points, the reason I was banned was I asked my sister to help vote for a proposal about Undergrunts not being or being Monty Mole species, and most of the wiki voted that they are related, and they did not give any good reasons on why they are related (especially considering that there is no reliable official confirmation on them being related). You should check it out it is on the Undergrunt talk page and trust me it was a terrible proposal. I also hate how they group most enlarged variants of enemies into one article (despite the different names). For the case of big Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole, big Monty Moles seem to be a naturally accruing enlarged Monty Mole variant while Mega Monty Mole seems to just be a singular individual, as we only see one Mega Monty Mole in both of his appearances (with his latter appearance he has explosive duplicates but those don’t really count). Mega Monty Mole is also 100% confirmed to be enlarged by Kamek and not natural, yet they are still merged with big Monty Mole. Super Choropū I think is more of a notable member of big Monty Mole, though they seem to be naturally accruing unlike Mega Monty Mole. Mega Monty Mole and big Monty Mole also have names in different languages (besides the Chinese name but that isn’t really like a main source). So yeah it is safe to say that big Monty Mole and Mega Monty Mole are two different types of enlarged Monty Mole. What do you think? Oh and any other Monty Mole related errors I missed? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:56, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Taking a look at their Undergrunt article, it seems only now they deem it comparable to Monty Mole. I don't believe you missed any errors btw. Yeah I do trust you on the Big/Mega Monty Mole being separate, as there's a difference between artificially enhanced and natural Bawitdaba (talk) 19:22, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

I meant that in the talk page there was a proposal and somehow most people said Undergrunts were related (and for bad reasons). Oh also, another error that is somewhat obscure was that WarioWare Twisted was listed as an appearance for Rocky Wrench but this was false. In actuality, Rocky Wrench only appeared in that microgame in the WarioWare Gold version and not WarioWare Twisted. This error was not fixed until late 2021. Another error that was not fixed for a long time was calling the Mega Moles wearing blue tuxedos as Monty Moles despite them clearly being Mega Moles (hell, ine one part a Monty Mole in a red tuxedo appears right next to one of the blue tuxedo Mega Moles). So what do you think? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:54, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

I think folks gotta try their best to make sure their information is correct. Bawitdaba (talk) 19:55, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Oh here is what I was talking about with the Super Mario Wiki treating Undergrunts like they are 100% Monty Mole species: https://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Undergrunt. Tell me what you think? Personally, they just treat very minor design similarities like they are 100% callbacks to Monty Moles. And comparing them to the SMG Bats is stupid cause the SMG Bats have confirmation while Undergrunts do not. Anyways what do you think about what this proposal said? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:13, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

I do agree that it's safe to call them comparable as a first option, although the Japanese name having "Monty" in them suggests that they are relatives -- at least in Japan Bawitdaba (talk) 20:16, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Oh the name given for Monty was a name given in the Prima guide (and I don’t think they were trying to call them Monty Moles cause of them looking nothing like Monty Mole). The Japanese name for Monty is just a generic name that just means mole, there is nothing that is similar to Monty Mole’s Japanese name. Also I do agree the Undergrunt species is at most comparable to Monty Mole, but they are defiantly not a part of the same species as they look nothing alike and function completely differently (besides Monty). The talk page I linked had people saying that they were relatives or something with no proof whatsoever besides vague design similarities (which look nothing like Monty Mole at all). Even when I pointed out all the design differences, the people still thought that Undergrunts looked similar with the very minor comic dental design similarities. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:30, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also there are still pages that incorrectly claim stuff as not canon so mind removing all mentions of that? Just click canon in search and delete every section talking about debating what is canon or not. Isn’t all this not canon stuff just speculation since Nintendo never downright confirmed any game as not canon. The only games that are probably not canon are the USA Super Mario Bros. 2 (cause it was a dream), and maybe Super Mario Galaxy (since the universe reset in the end of that game, though that one is more debatable what do you think?), other then those two games every other piece of official media is canon from what I can tell. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:24, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

Hmm what is taking you so long to respond? I am not mad or anything just curious. Oh also do you mind if I ask what country you are from (I am from the USA by the way and if you do not want to say it that is fine). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:59, September 11, 2022 (UTC)

I was at a friend's house, and I'm in the United States, yes. And I can remove those canon templates, sure Bawitdaba (talk) 00:17, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool, some pages also have stuff that uses words like not canon (such as the Squiggler page), so are you cool with deleting any mentions of the word canon, since it is extremely subjective and I do not think this wiki should force games to be not canon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:48, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you on that -- I didn't add any of those non-canon notices -- i only styled the noncanon template to look slightly nicer than it had before. I suppose you could help remove instances of those if you wanted :P Bawitdaba (talk) 00:50, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I will do that, also articles that had the not canon template still have it leftover on the top of the page (for example on the Dark Bowser page). Mind removing those parts? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:02, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

I believe I ran an automated script to help rid of those Bawitdaba (talk) 01:03, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok cool, also the stuff talking about how in 2018 some games are not canon was just some made up BS or something? I don’t think Nintendo went and made random games not canon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:06, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Calling BS is a stretch and a bit of an insult to some people who believe in "canon" as they may have tried to elaborate an entire world behind it (and yes this is coming from someone who hate term 'canon' because it's like "one canon is going to be non-canon to the other canon, so they contradict each other"; continuity is the word to use instead if you ask me. But yes, canon has never been established for the entirety of the Mario franchise (but some media does have plot continuity) Bawitdaba (talk) 01:13, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah true, right now I am removing most mentions of canon and how the pages used talked about continuity just came across as them forcing certain games to not be canon and trying to get people to think the same. It came off as extremely preachy imo, you agree? Also, yeah some Mario media has continuity, examples I can think of are Super Mario World being a direct follow up to Super Mario Bros. 3, some Mario manga (mainly Super Mario-kun and KC Mario) have each volume being followed up by the last, and the entire Wonderland line of 4koma strips in Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater volumes 1 and 3 basically being the perfect example of each strip following up from the last (I think it is one of the few Mario 4koma strips to actually have a narrative). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:23, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Also can you please help with taking care of the list of games not canon stuff, it is way too much of a hassle for me snd I need help if that is ok with you? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:31, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Which List of games non-canon stuff you talking about? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:33, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

This, also do you agree the pages claiming some games as not canon is kind of preachy? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:44, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah I get what you mean -- for sure it can come off as preachy and, by extension, patronizing. Also, I may not be able to removing the canon stuff by today, but I'll keep a tab open in case I still needing to work at it. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:49, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Oh also, I meant to remove the notice that said "* means that the game isn’t canon" and all the * by the "not canon" games, is that ok with you? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:55, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok done -- all I did was reuse the MarioWiki revision of the article :P Bawitdaba (talk) 01:56, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok I deleted all the "not canon" stuff, you agree the pages look so much better without random sections claiming a certain thing is not canon? Also should we do something about the sub-species thing and replace the use of that word with variant? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:01, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it has been decided we replace "Sub-Species" with "Variants" (i told HMfan about this some time ago). I've even made 2 cats for this purpose: Category:Variants and Category:Relatives Bawitdaba (talk) 12:31, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

I had a good idea, so you know how the SpongeBob wiki has bots that take high quality screenshots of the episodes? What if we do the same for the Mario cartoons? How about we get a bot that can take high quality screenshots of the Mario cartoon episodes and have a gallery for them. Do you mind if we start with Gopher Bash and The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 episodes that have Rocky Wrench? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:45, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

We don't have such bots set up, but you are definitely welcome to take screenshots -- just don't do ones where the frames are very similar. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:14, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Ok, also I made a page on Hello Mole, tell me what you think of it? Anyways, what should we do right now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:29, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

I mean I could see if I could lay the ground work for the Mario episodes featuring Montys & Rockys, etc Bawitdaba (talk) 22:30, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, good work on the Hello Mole page by the way Bawitdaba (talk) 22:30, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok cool, so are you going to make the pages for the episodes of the cartoons that had Rocky Wrenches and Monty Moles right now? I think we could have a gallery section for screenshots from the episodes. I am not good with doing screenshots for episodes but are you? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:32, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

I don't do that on a regular basis, so I wouldn't say I am. I don't plan on uploading many images to episode articles. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:34, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

For now are you cool with just having the images from the episode articles themselves and no extra images for now? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 22:38, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Yeah let's start wit MarioWiki one as a basis again. I'm working on the Gopher Bash article rn (you don't have to ask me progress for it because I'll finish it within my own time -- like when I added Monty Mole characteristics within my own time). Bawitdaba (talk) 22:40, September 12, 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I made a Rocky Wrench general information section if you want to check it out. If you want to tweak some things in it feel free to. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:26, September 13, 2022 (UTC)

he person who did it treated it like it was a good thing that he did (these summaries also have errors like claiming the Monty Mole Swoopers fell in lava when they clearly didn’t, and making a summary on Super Mario 4koma Manga Theater only just based on the first two volumes and treating the Monty Mole from the Wonderland series as an ordinary Monty Mole despite it having a personality and appearing multiple times). It seems like Sdman213 (the person who made these edits) did not read the manga and just made poor "summaries" of them which were just removing a lot of vital info and treating important stuff as "flowery writing". Also about Mario Portal, me and NewSuperMarioBrosFan did look into it and that is how we found all the errors and wrong names/info. I personally think it shouldn’t be used (mainly because it treats an entirely separate mole enemy from Mario Galaxy as a Rocky Wrench despite them having nothing in common besides attack pattern). Anyways do you agree about those points on how it is bad? Also I see a cool large Monty Mole edit I will check it out soon. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 18:14, September 11, 2022 (UTC)