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==Enlarged Monty Mole merges==
==Enlarged Monty Mole merges==
In the ''Super Mario Wiki'', most of the enlarged Monty Moles (mainly [[big Monty Mole]], [[Mega Monty Mole]], and [[Super Choropū]]) all share the same page and treated like they are all the same, with Mega Monty Mole being used as the standard name.
In the Super Mario Wiki, most of the enlarged Monty Moles (mainly [[big Monty Mole]], [[Mega Monty Mole]], and [[Super Choropū]]) all share the same page and treated like they are all the same, with Mega Monty Mole being used as the standard name.


However, big Monty Moles and Mega Monty Mole are completely separate as they both have different names in other languages (besides their Chinese names), with big Monty Moles also seemingly being a natural species while Mega Monty Mole is confirmed in ''[[Mario Party: Star Rush]]'' to being enlarged by [[Kamek]]. Super Choropū also seems to be an individual big Monty Mole (like [[Choropūko]]) rather than being a generic big Monty Mole due to their different name.
However, big Monty Moles and Mega Monty Mole are completely separate as they both have different names in other languages (besides their Chinese names), with big Monty Moles also seemingly being a natural species while Mega Monty Mole is confirmed in ''[[Mario Party: Star Rush]]'' to being enlarged by [[Kamek]]. Super Choropū also seems to be an individual big Monty Mole (like [[Choropūko]]) rather than being a generic big Monty Mole due to their different name.


The enlarged Monty Moles in the second ''[[Mario Kart 64]]'' volume in ''[[4koma Manga Kingdom]]'' and the ones in hole 7 of [[Wiggler Park]] in ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'' are also labeled as Mega Monty Moles on the ''Super Mario Wiki'', which is likely false as the name Mega Monty Mole was only used for the ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' boss and never used for standard enlarged Monty Moles. However, it is unknown if these enlarged Monty Moles are meant to be big Monty Moles, as the former has a completely different design and appears larger, while the latter are far larger than standard big Monty Moles.
The enlarged Monty Moles in the second ''[[Mario Kart 64]]'' volume in ''[[4koma Manga Kingdom]]'' and the ones in hole 7 of [[Wiggler Park]] in ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'' are also labeled as Mega Monty Moles on the Super Mario Wiki, which is likely false as the name Mega Monty Mole was only used for the ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' boss and never used for standard enlarged Monty Moles. However, it is unknown if these enlarged Monty Moles are meant to be big Monty Moles, as the former has a completely different design and appears larger, while the latter are far larger than standard big Monty Moles.


==Moneybags and Coin Coffers being the same==
==Moneybags and Coin Coffers being the same==
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==''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' Bowser's Castle Ending==
==''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' Bowser's Castle Ending==
Some believe that in the ending of ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]'', Bowser's Castle falls on and crushes [[Bowser]], [[Bowser Jr.]], and all 7 of the [[Koopalings]] after the six Koopalings around him help him back up. This is however unclear as the screen fades to black before the castle lands therefore it isn't clear if all 9 of them were crushed. [[Bowser]] and the six [[Koopalings]] around him were most definitely squashed by the Castle but some claim that Larry and Bowser Jr. were crushed as well despite standing further away from the Castle's fall-radius than the others (especially Larry who was heaps far away), whether or not the Castle landed on them as well is debatable.
Some believe that in the ending of ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]'', Bowser's Castle falls on and crushes [[Bowser]], [[Bowser Jr.]], and all 7 of the [[Koopalings]] after the six Koopalings around him help him back up. This is however unclear as the screen fades to black before the castle lands therefore it isn't clear if all 9 of them were crushed. [[Bowser]] and the six [[Koopalings]] around him were most definitely squashed by the Castle but some claim that Larry and Bowser Jr. were crushed as well despite standing further away from the Castle's fall-radius than the others (especially Larry who was heaps far away), whether or not the Castle landed on them as well is debatable.



==Morty Moles and Mega Moles being the same==
==Morty Moles and Mega Moles being the same==

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This is a list of misconceptions throughout the Mario franchise and related media. This could range from considering different species (related or not) as being identical to other species, or information that is dubious.

Enlarged Monty Mole merges

In the Super Mario Wiki, most of the enlarged Monty Moles (mainly big Monty Mole, Mega Monty Mole, and Super Choropū) all share the same page and treated like they are all the same, with Mega Monty Mole being used as the standard name.

However, big Monty Moles and Mega Monty Mole are completely separate as they both have different names in other languages (besides their Chinese names), with big Monty Moles also seemingly being a natural species while Mega Monty Mole is confirmed in Mario Party: Star Rush to being enlarged by Kamek. Super Choropū also seems to be an individual big Monty Mole (like Choropūko) rather than being a generic big Monty Mole due to their different name.

The enlarged Monty Moles in the second Mario Kart 64 volume in 4koma Manga Kingdom and the ones in hole 7 of Wiggler Park in Mario Golf: World Tour are also labeled as Mega Monty Moles on the Super Mario Wiki, which is likely false as the name Mega Monty Mole was only used for the Mario Party boss and never used for standard enlarged Monty Moles. However, it is unknown if these enlarged Monty Moles are meant to be big Monty Moles, as the former has a completely different design and appears larger, while the latter are far larger than standard big Monty Moles.

Moneybags and Coin Coffers being the same

Back when Super Mario 3D Land was first released, fans thought that Coin Coffers were the same as the Moneybags which debuted in Super Mario 64 due to them possessing similar traits and behaviors despite their drastically different appearances and being referred to as a different species altogether by Prima Games and Nintendo Power respectively.

Cheep-Chomps, Boss Basses, and other large Cheep-Cheeps

On the Super Mario Wiki, the Bubba, the Super Mario 64 DS variation of the Big Bertha, and the Mario Kart DS/Yoshi's Island DS variation of the Boss Bass were merged with the Cheep-Chomp (mostly due to the enemies sharing similar Japanese names (although this can only go so far as it would mean that the enemies could share the same name but are a separate species as we've seen several times in English releases)). Despite the fact that not only do all the enemies have different appearances, they also have different names. The Super Mario Bros. 3 version of the Boss Bass remained it's own page (despite the other renditions of the Boss Bass being confirmed to be Boss Basses by the games, guides, and even Nintendo Power). Big Bertha was also merged with Boss Bass despite her Japanese name being slightly different.

Later, Boss Bass, Big Bertha, and Big Blurp were all merged with the Mega Cheep-Cheep article (or Big Cheep Cheep as it's called there). This was an even bigger stretch as not only do the Japanese names differ, but don't even look and act the same (Boss Basses attempt to eat their targets while Mega Cheep Cheeps behave like normal Cheep Cheeps only larger). This created even more disorder as both Boss Bass and Big Bertha renditions are merged with two different articles. Not only do the enemies have different names but they also look different so they can't be the same, not to mention that Nintendo Power, the guides for the games as well as the game's themselves have confirmed the Cheep-Cheeps' true names in each game.

Vibe and Colored Enemies in Super Princess Peach

On the Super Mario Wiki, it is stated that all the enemies in Super Princess Peach that appear to be vibe infused or have different colors (such as the Red Paragoomba) are under the effects of the Vibe Scepter which was used at the beginning of the game by an affected Goomba. This however has been proven false as the effects of the Vibe Scepter were only shown to affect the room of Bowser's Villa rather than the whole island, additionally, the effects were shown to be temporary as those that were affected (such as Bowser and the Army Hammer Bro.) were shown to be back to normal later on, additionally, those that are affected by the Vibe Scepter look about the same whereas the vibe enemies look rather different to their species origin, especially in the Glossary where they're treated as a separate species rather than the same enemy. More likely the case is the enemies are naturally like that from the magic of Vibe Island (as the game's opening did state that the Island "holds great power") especially with Peach who can control her Vibes but she obviously wasn't affected as she wasn't on the Island when the Vibe Scepter was struck on Bowser's Villa. Additionally, it is shown that everyone within the radius of the Scepter was affected in both Peach's Castle and Bowser's Villa however there are several enemies that appear normal as well. It also has never officially been stated if the enemies are affected by the Scepter or not.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii Bowser's Castle Ending

Some believe that in the ending of New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Bowser's Castle falls on and crushes Bowser, Bowser Jr., and all 7 of the Koopalings after the six Koopalings around him help him back up. This is however unclear as the screen fades to black before the castle lands therefore it isn't clear if all 9 of them were crushed. Bowser and the six Koopalings around him were most definitely squashed by the Castle but some claim that Larry and Bowser Jr. were crushed as well despite standing further away from the Castle's fall-radius than the others (especially Larry who was heaps far away), whether or not the Castle landed on them as well is debatable.

Morty Moles and Mega Moles being the same

Back when Super Mario 3D Land first released, fans mistaken the Morty Moles who appear in that game as Mega Moles due to the both of them being enlarged Monty Moles. However, Morty Moles have a different way of being defeated and extremely different designs to that of Mega Mole and have completely different designs and different names in most languages. However, Morty Moles seem to have been based on Mega Moles during development, as their filename is the Japanese name for Mega Mole, being "Indy."

Presenters being the same as Monty Moles

For a long time, the Presenters from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga were mistakenly considered the exact same as standard Monty Moles by fans. However, Presenters were later found out to be their own species of Monty Mole, as they have a unique Japanese name. Additionally, Presenters have a strong resemblance to Mega Moles, but with additional yellow fur and a red bowtie. However, in the 3DS remake, Presenters were replaced with bowtie wearing Monty Moles that serve the same function. For a while, people thought that these Monty Moles were a redesign to Presenters (similar to what later happened with Mawful Mole in the 3DS remake of Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story). However, it was later discovered that Play Nintendo confirmed that these were just regular Monty Moles and not Presenters.[1]

Undergrunts being Monty Moles

Back when Super Mario Galaxy first released, many fans mistaken the mole species from that game, the Undergrunts, as the exact same as Monty Moles (or a species related to them), due to the Undergrunts being the only mole species featured in Super Mario Galaxy and its sequel Super Mario Galaxy 2. Monty was also mistaken for Rocky Wrench by fans as well, due to their similar wrench throwing behaviors.

However, none of the Undergrunt species have no reliable official sources that confirm them being a species or relative to Monty Moles. Additionally, Undergrunts bare little to no design similarities to any Monty Mole species and have completely separate attack patterns as well. Undergrunt Gunners are also often compared to the Monty Moles from Super Mario Sunshine, although the Undergrunt Gunner fights are completely different to the Super Mario Sunshine Monty Mole fights with the only similarity is their manning of a cannon. Although Monty has some similarities to Monty Mole and Rocky Wrench (such as having a similar name as the former and a similar attack pattern to the latter), Monty has no resemblance to the Monty Mole species and has a different way on being defeated than to Rocky Wrench. Additionally, none of the Undergrunt species Japanese names bare no resemblance to the Japanese names for the Monty Mole species.

Some illegitimate official sources have given Montys from Super Mario Galaxy an incorrect name, such as the English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia incorrectly naming them Monty Mole and the English Mario Portal incorrectly naming them Rocky Wrench.

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